I have looked at a lot of other posts regarding ab training and i still cant find an answer on how to really train them hard. I train my abs by picking four exercises for 20-25 reps each and doing a giant set, and changing the order every workout. To make it harder, i use these strap on leg weights and have my shoes on ( i train abs at home) and hold some ten pound plates for other exercises. Is this the right way to train abs? I have seen workout articles doing fifteen to twenty reps, but how if the abs dont fail at that rep range. Training to failure usually means several hundred reps for a single exercise! How do you apply the fundamental rule of "8-12 reps for growth" to abdomnial muscles, which fatigue at much higher reps than other body parts???

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