IME 4-7 days or so before i really start to feel my joints being more lubricated Dan. I am unsure why, but for some reason they are just sore all the time now, I've had this problem before, it comes and goes. But I havent had this problem since i was bulking like a year and a half ago, so I'm not sure whats up. I've had this happen from ATD use before too, as it kills estrogen, it drys the joints up, but thats not the case here, as i'm only taking the following supps.

Whey
Xtend
Fish oil
sesamin
Cordeyceps

Wed:

*Note - I tried to do sots presses, and it didnt go well, I just dont have the flexibility to do those yet. I feel like I strained my neck and back a bit doing them, which kinda f'd up the rest of my workout. But i made a substitution for them after trying two sets and failing horribly.

seated alt press 4x5
alt
double bent over row 4x5

lunges 5x5
alt
single arm swings (l,r) 5x5

turkish get ups (l,r) 1x3

banded pull over 2x20
alt
forearm curls 2x20

this workout was extremely difficult, something just wasnt right after doing those sots press attempts. My neck and lower back still feel off a bit today. unfortunately i wont be able to get to the chiropractor till early next week though.

Edit: i forgot to mention this when I first posted, but my quads are killing me today. I usually do front lunges, but I decided to switch it up last night, and stepped back into them. Wow, do my legs feel sore today.

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