As usual I can't understand what your are talking about. I really don't mean to be a dick with you, Andrew, but I just don't get you. Relative strength is just a relative tool. I'm not sure if your agree with me or are disagreeing or what. It's like you just always have to throw in something a little contradictory but it doesn't have anything really to do with the post you respond to. We are talking about absolute strength measure to body mass and the reason I posted it was to EXPLAIN why Siff said that. Relative strength is still a progress measurement tool for ANYONE and how many reps you can do is a whole different thing. It's really not personal it's just perplexing to me.