No, actually that's not what I was saying. What you do on moving day isn't going to amount to a hill of beans in the big scheme of things.
Since I suggested to do them on different days rather all on one day as per EC's plan, I was only pointing out that I understood WHY he did it that way.
You know this is a "strength" program and not a squat, deads, and press program. The idea is to DISPLAY that strength through the use of these tests that he thinks (as do I) are great indicators of overall absolute strength.
But you don't normally train heavy squats and heavy deads on the same day (HEAVY being the operative word). And you don't really do well having so much cns intensive work together. Etc...so on.
I wanted you to be able to do as well as possible because you'd feel good about that and that is more important than any other consideration.
I wasn't meaning to debate what DH and you said about the rack pulls per se..he was just responding to what you said based on his experience, like he said, I happen to agree in general as far as the direct correlation. So D, I was just talking about the context of the whole program and not getting in your face about that
I was just putting it into context for you because you are looking at TODAY and analysing it out of the whole context, then coming to a faulty conclusion about rack pulls, imo. You can woulda shoulda coulda till you blue in the face, haha.
You've got 16 weeks of training to pick apart, and you sill couldn't know for sure. There are too many variables. You improved most everything and I think you actually have improve your deads you just weren't prepared.
But I'm not sure that the problem is "off the floor", yet. Remember you're stick point is a few inches off the floor which is typical anyway. In which case all those speed deads should have helped but there truth is who the hell knows.
I agree, however, about not doing a lot of rack deads. This program, unfortunately WAS a cookie cutter and it was meant for people who were getting into strength training after being stuck in bodybuilding mode for a while. People who have gotten stronger but not lived up to their potential.
Therefore speed deads were an oppurtunity for 'technique' work, in a way, and the racks were an oppurtunity to pull big weights and to build up upper back mass, strength, and endurance..i.e. getting you used to supporting the big stuff.
The thing about the rack deads if you put in in context with all the other stuff is you can actually get away with a lot of it more that you could have gotten away with throwing in a lot of reg deads in there place, or deficit, or whatever. I'm speaking in the context of this program. It's weird, I know but it's true.
So my point is...there was enough there, "theoretically" to improve deads....with the rack deads being an oppurtunity you wouldn't have had in the same environment to do quite so much pulling without possible seeing training detriments.
Could you imagine, for instance, in weeks 9 through 12, doing snatch grips and speed deadlifts on the first lower body (along with walking squats), and then turning around and doing regular deads on the second lower body like this instead of rack deads:
3x5, 2x7
2x5, 1x7
3x5, 2x7
2x5, 1x7
Along with speed squats and bulgarian isometric holds? And with all the other volume of the week?
So you maybe could have done snatch grips on the first day and then deficits on the second?
Did the rack pulls help? Maybe, maybe not. Did they hurt? Nah.
You see what I'm saying? You would have wanted to change up the entire program, lol and we can nitpick all we want but it was put together very logically especially for a mass audience. Given I only just described the deadlifting for 9 through 12.
BTW, read what you just said to TALO about 405. And then tell me how your problem is off the floor. EXCEPT of course that getting more power off the floor helps you ride through that sticky point somewhat.