I agree with Dave. And I think there have been these kinds of discussions before. Whether he was out or he didn't have the experience or wherewithall to look alive like he was defending himself...it doesn't matter. It ain't a street fight.

If you ain't knocked out you don't straighten your arms and lay your head back.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.