I couldn't agree more hrdgain81. It's been more than a couple years since I went off of them. And I did more than a few cycles. To be honest, I find that some of the overly heavy lifts I was doing left me with injuries that were and still are harder to deal with than the thought of not being as big as I once was. Who cares, I'm thankful that I don't have to undergo TRT and I want to keep it that way. I'll just keep it natural from this point forward. Nothing at all against the guys that still wanna use them. Hell, I was there, it's just not my thing anymore.