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Old 11-06-2008, 02:47 PM
EricT EricT is offline
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I have a lot to say about all of this. Big surprise huh

Probably the majority of the things I post has to do with "modes of thought" rather than specific advice. In other words, my "outlook" or "philosophy" on training. This will be no different...I only want to discuss/backup a lot of the stuff DH has said in a general way.

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Originally Posted by DH
My Outlook on Training


Do YOU have an outlook? Do you have a philosophy. Chances are there are people who will read DH's article, if not here, than at IA's, and would like to single out comments or details and argue them. That happens to me all the time.

I think my patent response will now be "What is your outlook" (one the subject at hand or in general). Because IF you don't have a philosophy..you are standing on thin ice and all your arguments and "opinions" are like smoke to me.

No, I'm not talking about beginners asking questions and all of that. I'm talking about people who want to criticize the efforts of people like DH or myself but if asked, would not have a coherent viewpoint or consistent leaning on ANYTHING. That is the start of organization. Even if if as a beginner you are adopting the training philosophies of a few people that you trust and respect and who have shown themselves to be qualified, you will probably do better than NOT having that foundation.

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Originally Posted by DH
Lets look at something like the 5x5, made popular by guys like Bill Starr. It's a wonderful full body program. You'll also notice it has squatting three times a week (I recommend only two) and deadlifting in between. But, it HAS a system of checks and balances worked in. That means you're taking your KNOWN 1x5 RM and 5x5 RM and programming it into the final weeks of the program, then deducting from that in rather large increments back to week one (reverse planning). So what does that mean? It means the first two weeks are relatively easy and you're just getting used to the demands of the program, and teaching your body to tolerate the workload.


Expanding on what I was saying and bridging it with this...you take the typical guy who's been training in a completely disorganized fashion and probably mostly chest, lol, and put them on ANYTHING that is organized and is built on a solid rationale their results will probably skyrocket. Given that some rationales are better than others, but ANY rationale is probably better than NONE.

Taking fullbody 5x5's, besides the fact that it is built around the big compound lifts, what you have is a rationale. Going from Ronnie Coleman's training as told by Flex to any 5x5 method..well, I think it should be obvious that the results will seem miraculous by those standards.

I, like, DH, could look at the typical 5x5 and see some problems and especially if I was actually consdering individual needs. I definitely agree about the squatting thrice weekly in general as well.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

Last edited by EricT; 11-09-2008 at 02:42 PM.
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