That was my thinking that is somewhat mimics JM presses but I wanted to see you say it, D. JM presses my shoulders just will not tolerate but these in the rack they don't mind. And I prefer the dumbells in the rack for the same reason...elbows.

Elbows out I was never able to do either but I'll try it with pins.

Thanks, muchly, D, I will experiment and synthesize all of this.

I've never done EZ bar extensions on the floor, Hits.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.