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Originally Posted by Flawed
Well its not that my goals are not to be a power lifter its that I know two mindsets. Those that want to be huge (body builders) and those that want to purely strength train... when I saw middle of the road I mean I want to be strong and decently muscular. My ideals may be wrong and i may not be going about them the right way but thats why I post here to get advice. Right now the my goals coming back into the lifting game after years of poor effort and lack of motivation is to build a strong base... hence why I am doing legs (which i havent done in 3 years even when I did lift for a month or two) and why I added in deadlifts.... because I'd be crazy not to add in squats and deads according to every source including this board and others.
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Well that is what I wanted to know
. My goal is not to be harsh it is to help you define your goals so that you can be happy with your training. I mean, hey, I could make every workout in the world for myself...and I'd make myself misearable doing it. There is NOTHING wrong with your stated goals. Completely reasonable and doable. It almost sounds like you think I would disagree with those goals and I don't know why! I may have different ideas on how to achieve them than others others. Please realize that I have used the term "middleground" or "middle of the road" MANY times myself to describe a MISTAKE in programming (for the long term) so I was trying to clear up what you meant.
In other words strength AND size, they can go hand in hand of course. And if you say your goal is middle of the road than I am all for that. But middle of the road TRAINING will never quite work the way you want it to. So what I'm trying to dispell is the MYTH that people wanting size AND strength will always be albe to do 5x5 volume oriented routines to get them there no matter how long they've been training. Basically it becomes so ridicoulsy ineffeficient at some point that you have a hard time realizing EITHER goal.
If you want strength you should think about training movments not muscle groups or body parts. Size can be achieved through that but it seems to me that people think that if you are not just a pure strength guy but also want to be as big as possilble that you need to somehow combine the strength philosophy with the bodybuilding philosophy. That's no problem except that people try to mix them in the same program. It's oil and water. If you do it in phases that would be different assuming you did something to maintain strength...imo.
To tell the truth, the idea of how many times you are working each muscle group a week never really enters my mind anymore. That all tends to work out in the wash with a well designed program.
You should check out the journals.