From what I've read gaining 10 LB of lean mass a year is pretty good even if your doing everything right. This means that under my improving but I'm sure less than ideal work out/ diet I'm looking at minimum three years to add a couple inches to the guns? Wow I'm feelin very depressed. Or am I off with the 10lbs a year? I'm pretty novice but I think I'm past those addicting beginner gains. I know there is no hard fast rule but I would like to make some at least in the ball park goals. Anybody have some experience with longer term gains and what is obtainable with no illegal chemical helpers.