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Old 07-06-2009, 12:25 PM
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Even rounding the top of the back can be dangerous I injuried my (top) back like that in 2007 with a 172kg DL. I had to stop DL for 1 year.

Kane, I'll try to answer to your post :

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Not only this but you would also know that 1 rep is NOT enough to create a training effect, even if you're a beginner.
I don't think a lot of beginner can curl up to 28.5kg per arm back against a wall. If 1 rep was not enough I would LOSE strength not even maintain. But in reality I get stronger. So maybe you don't believe me but you cannot tell me that One Rep is not enough for a training effect. We can discuss if it's optimal or not.

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You're so fixated on fatigue and overtraining that you're dwarfing your training to the point where it becomes pointless and of no use. Fatigue is a side effect of your training stressor, it is not the main goal and it is not something you get directly. You don't exercise to fatigue muscles, you exercise and the stressor causes fatigue, you train for the stressor.
Fatigue is absolutely not the goal and should be avoided like the plague if your goal is STRENGTH. The Stimulus is Force Generation (and thus probably Rate of Energy Depletion).

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Increases in fitness or ability come from chronic exposure because your body adapts to the environment its put in, not because you lifted a heavy barbell one time.
My goal is Strength not fitness/conditioning. I don't train to be able to do 10 heavy singles or a 10RM. I train for 1RM : maximum strength.

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Do you really know how hard it is to overtrain? Because it is not easy. You can overeach for quite some time before you become overtrained. What you thought was overtraining could have been overreaching.
Call it like you want, when I LOSE strength it's because I "over-train". Too High Efforts imply that muscles cannot sustain the tension desired. The CNS/PNS try to compensate the loss of contractile force by increasing rate coding and this huge effort leads to overtraining of the muscles or more probably of the PNS which is depleted or damaged due to too high rate coding.

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And seriously, how can you say with a straight face that a single rep bicep curl is a measure of strength. Floor press, deadlift and bicep curl are your measures of strength. That is not even close to being a balanced program.
A 1RM = Maximum Strength. Curl is done back against a wall. Unilateral Dumbbell Floor Press is very strict exercise and you cannot really cheat on DL but you have to compare what's comparable : round back vs round back, straight back vs straight back. Floor Press works the Chest, Triceps and Shoulders, Curl the Biceps and Deadlift whole Back + Quads, Hams, Calves, Glutes, etc. I think it's a well balanced routine. My row increase as my DL and Curl increase so adding a ROW wouldn't do much if anything. It's not the time for me to add exercises. I'll do it but later... I still have others tests to do before.

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Like Ross said, I hope nobody is taking ths seriously because this is NOT the way to do strength training.
It's up to you to take it seriously or not. I report my workouts as they are. It would be easy for me to tell you that my DL went from 180kg to 200kg within a few months but that's not the case.

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I'll leave you with this. Today I did 8 singles on deadlifts, all well above 90% and probably higher than 95%, next week I will do 6, the week after 10 and the week after that 2 singles. In one month I have performed some very intense lifting, disipatted fatigue by managing volume and that amount of volume (during one month for me) would take you 26 sessions.
I did 6x1x95% everyday on Curl and I could do it everyday on DL. I don't because that's not necessarily nor desirable. The goal is not to do as much volume as possible.

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26 sessions @ 3-4 sessions per week is about 6-8 weeks. I repeat my cycle for a full year (which I have done) and that is equivalent to 312 of your 1 rep sessions. 3-4 sessions per week is 78-104 weeks which is 1.5-2 years. We could keep going but my point is that it takes you 1.5-2 times longer to get the same volume.
I train everyday (and I'm still not 100% sure that it is necessarily for the best gains) but again the goal is not maximum volume. The Goal is to generate a maximum force and repeat it as often as needed (supposedly everyday). I did several tests on frequency and it seems that training a muscle daily is the best but another 2 months test is needed.
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