i hate them both but especially the second one...its not that bad with most plates but then there is no room left on the tree (for any more plates as in the plates are just at the edge of the bar) and then u have to take the plate off. its a science....if you move the plate a little bit out it falls either on your foot or on the floor and you look like an idiot so u have to bend over and move it slowely with your finger tips on the sides definatly annoying