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Originally Posted by EricT
I love how some of use on this forum have been doing shit for years and posted on them exhaustively but nobody takes it seriously until Dan John or Mike Robertson 'suddenly' discover it years later. It's so gratifying.
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I agree. I remember the links you just posted:
Man....this takes me back so many years lol....2 years and look how things have changed!!!
The truth is, sir, I haven't done them since that day. So between 2007 and 2010 I've never done these and I just know how I should do them judging by your comments (you know I save gems like those) so I wanted to be sure atleast some of the reps were on the money, you know?
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promote flexion at the upper back. Also, why should you need to "shove" a heavy weight behind you when the swing back is "pulling" it behind you and all you need to do is accept the pull while controlling the hips and back? That's over-coaching in my book.
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It's similar to a pullthrough except a little more forceful. These exercises don't need detailed descriptions like what Robertson and Cressey provide....they're similar to pullthroughs in the sense the weight is being pulled behind and like you said: the trainee's job is to control the movement via the hips and back. Simple. Next time I'm nailing this.
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On snatches why should anuj take a bunch of time to practice a technical movement for the purposes of conditioning. WAY too much effort to expend for a secondary goal.
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This is funny. I didn't catch that part but Pity: no I don't want to do snatches and I 99.999% sure that neither do you. The sad and ugly truth about any olympic movement is that you need a coach if you want to do it the right way. Otherwise you're just muscling up a movement which should actually be 100% technique.
This is funny...I read just a week ago or so how this guy on IA's board - Joe, loves to do high rep explosive olympic movements on his conditioning days because it makes him spend more effort. BWaaahhh....No because most people who can't do an overhead squat with a fucking broomstick are most definitely NOT going to be able to land a perfect snatch.
And to bring it back to me: no, I don't want to do any snatches - dumbbell or barbell or cable. Eric's right: me being me will use too much weight and cause injury OR I'll use too little weight, manage to losen up my shoulder joints like I did when I was on Maximum Strength with those shoulder mobility exercises and suffer from a dislocation somewhere further down the road. No snatches.
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There is nothing he could get out of snatches conditioning wise that he couldn't get out of simpler derivatives. You just be diverting resources with complications.
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I agree. Doing oly lifts for reps is idiotic because even oly lifters dont do that (I actually follow 3 oly guys on bb.com because they're training has evolved so much it's fascinating) and I can say this with certainty: oly lifts need proper coaching (not eCoaching) and they are done for very very few reps.
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Originally Posted by EricT
It sounds to me like it is telling people to try to shove they're arms into their groins. Doing that will tend to cause the body to go into flexion. Same thing with "shoving the weight back". People will shove their ARMS back and the same result. I promotes flexion.
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This is what I understood it to be which is why I didn't bother with it....I wasn't going to do that because (and you can go over the same links you gave me) that is what I was doing before. So I knew NOT to do that again.
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The idea may be to promote more stretch. You don't need it. You are storing up tons of energy on the back swing you just need to reverse efficiently.
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This is the key to a LOT of movement: pullthroughs, good mornings, etc..
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Look, lots of these guys I'm responsible for introducing their names onto this board. But when I did that it was because they said certain things that I thought were instructive. You still have to give some critical thought to everything everybody says and not just assume that every thing that drops out of their mouth is gold. So I gave it some critical thought and I gave you my reaction.
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But this is true of everyone. You have to take the good and rip it apart from the bad. We all hate on Rippetoe for being hillbilly but the truth is that linear periodization is cool and it works for some time. But.....we didn't need Rippetoe to tell us that's the ONLY way to progress now, did we?
