my god guys, there is just an amazing amount of info in this thread. I can share my personal exsperience with using 5x5 routines. Of course this was back in the day, and I didnt utilize any Dual Factor training, it was old school one muscle group a day, five day a week training ... before I knew better hahaha.

I pushed my max bench up from 215 x 1, to 315 x 2 in under a years time. like i said, this was back in the day (freshman yr in college) when things like bench mattered to me.

I would love to try out some of these aproaches to 5x5, but I just started my HST cycle on monday, and my last two weeks will be as 0311 said earlier 2x5, ect ect.

With all these programs, how do you purpose to pick one 0311?

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