look into pro-steroids much safer usely oral and there is meny but make sure you research frist to make sure you dont need a PCT or anything or what have you just my 2 cents

i think you mean prohormones. all orals that are c17 alpha alkylated are very toxic to your liver and liver protectants is a must. there are oral anabolics out there that arent as hard on your liver as others. also you should always run a pct following any type of cycle to help restore natural test and keep most or all of your gains...

LA, the difference between prohormone, and pro-steroid is that the hormone needs to be converted, were the pro-steroid does not. For example, m1t is a pro steroid, while 1ad (which converts to 1test) is a pro hormone.

Milonix, if your forcing false hormones into your body you always need a pct. Please, dont give advice to the contrary, its just not cool.

Another option is to go with a non-hormonal anabolic, such as Activite (by designer suppliments), PowerFull (by USP labs), or Anagen (by scivation). These dont shut down your natural test production, but work through other path ways to create an anabolic enviorment in your body.

thanks hrdgain, i had actually never heard of prosteroids and just assumed he meant pro hormone. we've gotten totally off subject haha

Straight up thread hijacking .... :rocketwhore:

what happened to hard work?

why look for an easy way out.

He would still have to work hard....Personaly I haven't done them (yet) but I still don't think that once you start that means that you can start to lack off in the gym or diet.

If I remember correctly...Gear will help your recovery like no tomorrow, thus you can train more frequently than you naturally could. More frequent training coupled with extremely intense workout sessions IMO is more work than alot of natural lifters would do. Not to say that natural lifters can't work as hard as guys on the gear, but a natural lifter wouldn't see anywhere near the gains they could while following a proper routine with adequate rest time.

I do see where you're coming from though, I hate seeing people hit the gear within a few yrs of beginning training. To me that's cheating :biglaugh: . For a more veteran lifter I can see how it would work to their favour once you're close to your genetic potential. My $0.02

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gear is not a magic pill or injection that immediately gets you big and ripped. by no means can you lack or should you lack at all during training, diet or rest. i honestly do not think that it is possible for a natural lifter to lift as intense as someone on juice. i also understand when you say people start it too young, imo most guys just want to get big quick and not put in as much effort to do it naturally and most of the time they will stop lifting a few years after. but, if someone is going to put their training towards a use like competing in bodybuilding rather than just looking good, it is almost necessary to start gear at a young age to make it anywhere in the bodybuilding world nowadays...