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From what I remember 0311's experience with superdrol was just terrible. And he says the pulled muscle was "his fault" but there were lots of people reporting muscle tears that seemed to correspond to taking superdrol. I doubt it helped. And the painful back pumps were all over the place. People recommend taking taurine to combat that. To me, screw taking something that interferes with you workouts, poisons you, and requires you to take something else that may or may not combat the pain it causes.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

To me, forget about all that! The worst thing that took the longest (for me) to get rid of was the dull pain in my kidney area. Felt like getting kicked in the balls, just higher. I had trouble sitting at work, driving in traffic, even sleeping because the pain (again for me) was persistant. Advil only does so much. I think the pain went away for good about 2-3 weeks AFTER I stopped. And the worst part was I stopped PREMATURELY because of the torn pec. So I didn't even take it the full 3 weeks. LOL, now add to that I took the LOWEST dosages I've seen anyone take online. I was 260 lbs taking ONE PILL every morning (10 mg). On the start of the third week I bumped up to 20 mg and all hell broke loose.

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Yep, I remember. You actually thought at first you might have a kidney infection or something.

Yeah, I was pissing the same colored rust that I did when I drank for 4 straight days in Thailand.

not to harp on the subject, but dude dont ever take pain killers on a methyl. That will mess your liver up something aweful. I didnt realize you had all those problems on it, thats 10x worse then M1T ever was, although very similar in the side effect department.

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Damn bro! A day late and a dollar short for our hero.

Oh man who brought up superdrol? I've been trying to forget that stuff was ever one the market

For me it was easy come easy go as far as the gains I made. And yes I did a proper PCT

My lower back hurts just thinking about it. Lower back pumps were like nothing I've ever had, or want to in the future.

I still have like 2 bottles of ergomax LMG and Underground labs M-DIEN that I will NEVER use, bad stuff, way to toxic (please don't p.m. me cause I won't sell it to anyone)

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I can back these claims up. I just got done with Havoc and had some pretty amazing results with practically zero sides. Supposedly Havoc and IBE's Epistane are the same compound, but there has been some questioning of the actual contents of these supplements on other boards because of lab results run by Mike of Bulknutrition fame.

^^ not just by mike sleazy, also by Pat Arnold of Ergopharm. That whole thing is a huge mess, but I havent seen any negative test results for havoc, just for epistane.

0311, you crack me up man. funny as hell.

Joker, did you really not like UL M-dien, I have a bunch left too. I have only used it at low doses on a cut, but it was awesome IMO. Kept my strength up while cals were in the basement, although it did screw with my sleep patterns a bit.

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Joker, did you really not like UL M-dien, I have a bunch left too. I have only used it at low doses on a cut, but it was awesome IMO. Kept my strength up while cals were in the basement, although it did screw with my sleep patterns a bit.[/QUOTE]

I never tried it, it sits unopen on my shelf. Superdrol really turned me off to trying any other OTC. I even had stocked up on gaspari halo 50 (original formula) and just sold it without ever doing any of it.