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all of us at one time or another thought we ate alot. we didn't. we do now.

if you're not getting bigger/stronger...something is wrong with your diet/training.

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The problem with taking steroids too early are because your body is producing more hormones now than it ever will...you haven't reached your standard yet. Once everything levels off and is where it will maintain for a while, (around 25) you can manipulate it without worrying so much. Also, organs and bone are still growing, if you cause them to accelerate you could run into future health risks with that. As far as being diabetic, that could run you into some issues. Various AAS alter your insulin level if I'm not mistaken and that isn't something you want to screw around with. Because you are 20, you are going to do whatever you want anyway, so when you find something that is available to you, read all you can on it and make sure it won't mess with your insulin, that could suck for you. Also, some risks of messing with levels could include impotence and sterility...So, limp dick and shooting blanks. That is a risk you need to be aware of and willing to deal with. Its not a guaranteed thing, but it does happen to some. My personal recommendation would be to look for Warrior by Element Nutrition, its a legal supplement that has some pretty potent shit in it. I, and people I know, have used it with some wicked strength gains and lean muscle gains.

You tell him not to take steroids...then you recommend a steroid. Look into what you're recommending. Before you make a recommendation... He would be better off injecting test e than taking the shit that you mentioned.

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Actually, I told him not to take steroids, then I mentioned that he will do whatever he wants anyway so if he is going to do it, use something that won't get him thrown in jail. There is nothing wrong with what I mentioned, its a little rough on the liver, but its legal. Take some milk thistle with it and you are all good. I was 20 not too long ago, at 20 once you make up your mind about something, pretty much nothing will stop you. I just think legal alternatives are better than illegal. I know whats in what I mentioned, analogs of Trenbolone, Epistate, and Superdrol. Pretty good stack with no need for PST. The only problem is the 2 are methylated so a little rough on the liver, but clears up in less than 2 months. Will give great strength boost, build 15+lbs on lean muscle mass, and cut ya up.

[QUOTE=03Cobra;82483] I dont know jack squat about steroids but i know i want to be bigger without a ton of effort. [QUOTE]


There is so much wrong with this its not even funny.

When you're at the point where you think you're ready to use anabolics you should be considering it because:

You already are putting in everything you can and getting minimal returns aka

- you have your macro/micro nutrients perfectly balanced for your body
- your exercise plan should be custom tailored to you to achieve your goals whether that be strength, size, explosive power...whatever.
- you should have a very clear understanding of undertraining, overtraining, fatigue, deloads, volume management, blablablah

I don't think you've exhausted any of these things. Weight training is not supposed to "easy". It takes hard work and dedication and getting into anabolics before you're ready and educated is just dumb.

No, I don't do anabolics but there is a reason for that. I know I have alot of potential left. I also have not mastered my diet planning and exercise routines etc. I'm learning more everyday and maybe one day I will step into that realm but I know I'm not ready now.

IW

Still shitty advice. Kids that are 15 fit the attitude profile that you mentioned even more so. So are you going to recommend that they take legal steroids also? How about...not recommending that people take stuff that can have serious side effects, especially if they don't need to take it and aren't aware of the potential health concerns. Besides, not every single person is the same. Maybe he would heed the advice if everyone was against it. Maybe he has liver problems that he's not aware of and instead of injecting test, he goes and takes a bunch of methyls and dies because of your advice. At 20 years old, he's not fully developed. There isn't a difference between giving that advice to a 12 year old or a 20 year old. The point is that neither you nor I are qualified to recommend stuff like that & it's a bad idea.

I get what you are saying, and actually I fully agree. However, this is the anabolics/prohormones sections of bodybuilding.net...what else am I supposed to talk to the dude about? Its better to say, "You need to look at the risks before doing something, I'd recommend nothing, but if you are going to do it anyway try this..." , than saying "steroids are dangerous, its not recommended that anyone take them without a medical professionals consent/care." If that were the case, then no one would type in this section. Not jumpin your ass on this by any means, just stating where I am coming from on this. Yes, there are always risks in taking steroids and prohormones. No, unless a doctor tells you to, you should not experiment with them until after you have fully developed, have tried all other methods, and have done extensive research. Doing blood tests to get your starting levels is extremely helpful to keep from causing extreme side effects, including death.

That's your problem right there. If you think steroids will magically make you bigger, you are wrong. And having said that, you probably dont put in the effort right now, to include your training and diet. Also, your chest and arms will get much larger much faster if you do a whole body workout routine. And if you think the rest of you is pretty built, it wont be after training only your arms and chest for the next year with minimal results.

On a side note, do you post over at svtperformance.com?

'Scorcher2005' couldnt have put it better here!! gear is not your 'magic pill' us guys who take them have to work even harder as we can recover faster! taking gear means that you have to eat even more and train even harder. You want an easy way to gain mass?? just sit infront of ya TV and eat crap but that will be the wrong kind of mass. If you wana be big - then train hard (all your body) eat untill you start to gain weight (if you think your eating enough now but not even gaining fat - then your not eating enough! period!) and get your rest!

Its the only way to grow - then when you have reached say 230 - 240lbs then your probably at your max naturally so then its time to think about steroids.

Dont expect anyone on here to give you all the answers to your questions - we have spend years researching/reading what to take how to take it and also - what to do if things start to go wrong..... you should be reading about all this now to prepare yourself.

Major misconception. You said I want to get bigger with out much effort. Even if you take steroids you need to put in 100% effort in all categories, diet, training and you have not done that. You need to get this part down first and then you can look into the steroids. By the way, if you do the first part right you will hit your goal anyway.

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