With respect iron, you are making big claims yourself. You are saying no food, supplement, or exercise will raise testosterone levels.

Now, I can't really say I have scientific backing on what I posted. I never measured my test levels after heavy squats or after eating broccoli. I just posted it from what I hoped was a good source.

Now, I'm not saying all supplements and stuff work like they are marketed, but everything in GNC isn't snake oil. For example, we are pretty sure Creatine works.

Sounds like we both need to provide evidence.

Troy

Thanks for the reply Troy. I admire a questioner. That's what I wish everyone would do.

What I meant is nothing of that nature will raise the test levels significantly and keep them there. They may surge minimally but they return to normal quickly. The body simply backs off till the levels are back to normal. It's not enough to do much good. That's why roids work, you over-ride the bodies ability to lower the levels.

QUOTE: Now, I can't really say I have scientific backing on what I posted. I never measured my test levels after heavy squats or after eating broccoli. I just posted it from what I hoped was a good source.

That's my point. I think you want to believe it works. When you say you can't back it up with science then tell me, why do you spend good money on them??

I've been there. When I started I took everything available. I've learned how marketing works now and I never take someone's word when they're trying to sell me something.

Quote: Now, I'm not saying all supplements and stuff work like they are marketed, but everything in GNC isn't snake oil. For example, we are pretty sure Creatine works.

I think I refuted the things in my post pretty well. Not me I mean but I exposed the lies. All I did was research some of their statements.

If you can't say that they work Troy, why buy them? Why take up for someone that's taking your money and offer no proof?

QUOTE: Sounds like we both need to provide evidence.

I think I provided evidence with my post at least with that particular substance. Please don't be mad with me, can you say that anything I said is wrong? Please correct me if I misstated anything. What more evidence do you need? I broke the claims down one at a time and refuted each one correctly I believe. Where was I wrong?

If you have another substance you're wondering about, I'll be happy to check on it. Again, these things are not my opinion, opinions are worthless. Go to PubMed.com or Medline.com. They study these things scientifically and report what happens. Again no opinions just what happens.

I hope I've come across respectably to you as you did to me. If not I apologize. But You're not really sure about any of these products are you? If you are, why are you? So why defend them?
Iron

I ordered a supplement called Fuze on bodybuilding.com to be honest I couldn't tell a difference.

Fuze is good stuff Eddie, what was your dossage?


You also have to remember with supps like Fuze, and many "test boosters", regardless of what the label says, they do not raise test levels. Fuze is a tribulus product, so it is an LH (luetenizing hormone) booster. this in no way correlates to a raise in test levels, but it does mean there is strong possiblity that it will increase libido. When I use Fuze, all it takes is a day or so at 3-4 caps ... then I catch wood randomly and for seemingly no reason.

I've used it prob around 3-4 times and never saw coresponding lbm gains, but it is great post cycle.

I would generally take 3 in the morning before breakast then 2 at night on an empty stomache

Well I guess everyone is different, or maybe you have a high tolerance.

I am also a teenager, I am willing to bet the natural test is pretty high

Good point, i didnt realize your age.

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