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A multi is important, and should be taken once a day w/ food. It's just more logical to take it with breakfast because your body has been deprived of vitamins/minerals/protein all night. |
TAURUS, please just back up your statement that it's bad to take in protein as soon as you awaken. Here's a few PhD's. I'm sure they don't have any protein ties because their article goes on and on about other supplements/nutrition. Listen, by the way, I wasn't kidding about my gains since this addition came into my plan. Can't argue with results, or maybe YOU can :eek:
Here's a few references to titilate your brain... Steve Stiefel, PhD Jim Stoppani, PhD Here's one of my specific articles for you: "Take in a whey protein shake immediately after awakening. You have been sleeping for as many as 8 hours, so you have not been providing your body with aminos for muscle building, muscle maintenence, and other processes. Although sleep allows your body to grow and recover, it leads to a catabolic state in which your body breaks down muscle mass to get the necessary aminos for conversion into energy....blah, blah, blah...Mix whey with water for faster absorbtion. Avoid consuming fats, complex carbs, and fiber as these will slow down digestion and absorbtion of protein, working against your goals." I'm still waiting on Parrillo and his 20 years experience :) Stay tuned for more and more specific examples further backing my (and everyone else's) claims for improvement :rolleyes: :D |
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As for postworkout, show some references about how much the body can handle at one time. There aren't any I can think of because everyone is different. 50 grams works for me- 2 years ago after Iraq:169 lbs around Now 246 all the while using 50 gram increments. I'm actually in the process of getting trained by the founder of DC training. We've been answering questions back and forth. He's over 300 pounds and speaks from 20 plus years of experience as well as all his trainees. They can't be all wrong about this, and they aren't pushing products like protein either :D |
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Oh well, a few more for good measure- Boirie Y, Dangin M, Gachon P, Vasson M-P, Maoubois J-L, Beaufrere B (1997). Slow and fast dietary proteins differently modulate postprandial protein accretion. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA, 94: 14930-14935. Bricker ML, Mitchell HH (1947). The protein requirements of the adult rat in terms of the protein contained in egg, milk and soy flour. J Nutr, 33: 491-504. Cox WM JR, Mueller AJ, Elman R, Albanese AA, Kemmerer KS, Barton RW, Holt LE Jr (1946). Nitrogen retention studies on rats, dogs and man: The effect of adding methionine to an enzymic hydrolysate. J Nutr, 32: 437-457. Demling RH, DeSanti L (2000). Effect of a hypocaloric diet, increased protein intake and resistance training on lean mass gains and fat mass loss in overweight police officers. Ann Nutr Metab, 44: 21-29. Fereday A, Gibson NR, Cox M, Pacy PJ, Millward DJ (1998). Variation in the apparent sensitivity of the insulin mediated inhibition of proteolysis to amino acid supply determines the efficiency of protein utilization. Clin Sci, 95: 725. Garlick PJ, McNurlan MA, Patlak CS (1999). Adaptation of protein metabolism in relation to limits to high dietary protein intake. Eur J Clin Nutr, 53: S34. Johnson RM, Deuel HJ, Morehouse MG, Mehl JW (1946). The effect of methionine upon the urinary nitrogen in men at normal and low levels of protein intake. J Nutr, 32: 371-387. Melville S, McNurlan MA, McHardy KC, Broom J, Milne E, Calder AG, Garlick PJ (1989). The role of degradation in the acute control of protein balance in adult man: Failure of feeding to stimulate protein synthesis as assessed by L-[1-13C]leucine infusion. Metabolism, 38: 248-255. Price GM, Halliday D, Pacy PJ, Quevedo RM, Millward DJ (1994). Nitrogen homeostasis in man: 1. Influence of protein intake on the amplitude of diurnal cycling of body nitrogen. Clin Sci, 86: 91-102. Reeds PJ, Fiorotto ML, Davis TA (1992). Nutrition partitioning. An overview. In: Bray GA, Ryan DH, eds. The Science of Food Regulation. Volume 2. Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University. p. 103-120. Sarwar G, Peace RW, Botting HG, Brule D (1989). Relationship between amino acid scores and protein quality indices based on rat growth. Plant Foods Hum Nutr, 39: 33-44. Shigemitsu K, Tsjuishita Y, Miyake H, Hidayat S, Tanaka N, Hara K, Yonezawa K (1999). Structural requirement of leucine for activation of p70 S6 kinase. FEBS Lett, 447: 303. Tomarelli RM, Bernhart FW (1947). A bioassay for protein and protein digests. J Nutr, 33: 263-272. |
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Why are there flying saucers in the sky? Where did we really come from? Poor examples man. I'm not "hiding". You wanted specific examples and here you go. I'll use myself as one too. I really don't think you could gain all that weight at one time do you? Have you? :confused: |
a flip flopper lmfao i havent seen that term used since the kerry bush elections
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And might I add that I wish the top posters contest was still in effect because I can only hope for debates like this to rep my post count!!
BTW-I win :cool: |
Never touched steroids only because I didn't want the hastle. As for diverticulitis, it was because I wasn't getting the amount of fiber I needed. Picture eating 300 or so grams of protein a day-Mostly red meat, chicken, ect. My only shakes were morning ;) , pre-post, and maybe one right before bed. My fiber was a can of veggies and a bowl of cereal.
On a side note, TAURUS do you agree with this assessment: Right before bed, it's more beneficial to also take in 3 grams of fiber with your last protein shake before bed because it slows down the digestive process, giving you longer protein balance while you sleep. BTW, I hardly ever cut and paste. I only do that for you when you need sources or studies...Which happens to be most of the time. Most of my knowledge I happen to back up and find specifics on it. ie-7 OXO thread. You loose- |
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