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No, I'm sure he doesn't mistake the movies with reality.

Even someone like Jackie Chan, who was trained in the Peking Opera as strictly a "performance" martial artist would tell you the movie fighting is entertainment and bares no resemblance to real world martial arts.

Anyone who has actually been kicked in the face, as I have (I had a broken nose) to prove it, will tell you that a kick is a very effective weapon when weilded with descretion, power, and speed. But even a kick specialist is not going to throw 40 kicks in a row in street fight or whatever.

My uncle, who holds a master's belt in Shotokan Karate, could easily take out someone with a kick. I watched him take out two guys outside a tournament in Mobile when a fight broke out. And the range of technique in Shotokan is relatively limited, although allowing for unlimited permutations. In the real world, you kick the average guy in the head, and the fight is over.

But what 0311 has said is still pretty much right on the money. I've been around enough fights to know that there are basically two kinds. Two people pushing and circling for show, and then grappling and rolling around inconsequentially, both people just trying to avoid being hurt. Or, two people pushing and circling for show, and then one or two punches thrown and the fight is over. Someone goes down - or may as well be down for all the fight that is left in them. And yes, I'm talking about the average guy who thinks he's a martial artist.

I think we are all in agreement on this subject about real world, movies, and ring fighting.

the guy is David Loiseau, and he is awesome. not only are his spin kicks bad ass but his elbows are every lethal.
http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=292

also, a welterweight by the name of Georges St. Pierre, who just so happens to train with David Loiseau, has done some spin kicks in some fights and landed.

http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=fighter.detail&pid=330

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Most definately. He's the hand up Mona Lisa's skirt on this one.

Using mostly kicks makes for a good cardio session, and little else.

I'm thinking you're the only one whose with me on this one.

Oh, good God yes.

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I agree. Unless you make it count! But again, blame the "using mostly kicks" on the commercialized western schools giving people what they expect.

BTW, Tae Kwon Do and Karate are only similar at a superficial level. Kungfu is not really similar to either and actually has hundreds of different styles, some of which are quite foreign to one another. Capoeira we know is different.

Tae Kwon Do is an ancient fighting art with roots that go as far back as Japanese Karate. There is nothing inherently anymore ineffective about it than any other popularized martial art. If we are talking about the bastardized, overly simplified, westernized versions of it; the kind where you can indeed earn a black belt in two years, then I would agree that it is ineffective.

I know, I took Kung Fu for 3 years.

However, I'm saying that there's only so many ways how to kick and punch something.

I said you were a Kung Fu man!

I will say with a hundred percent certainty that none of those styles listed above will do any real good against a grappler. It's been proven for the first 15 years of the UFC. Now, the only one's stepping into the ring have excellent ground skills (save a lucky few) and an kickboxing style of stand up. I've taken Kung Fu for 3 years and can say that trying to do 90% of those moves will get you killed in a fight, esp. outside. I personally feel that the only realistic expectation from all those kung fu, karate, whatever arts is to take 5-6 moves, learn to use them without thinking, and execute those moves every time. This is coming from both my Sifu and an ex-LAPD swat officer that I go shooting with.

I agree. Both when your talking about the cross-section of martial artists that are in UFC and the general population with only superficial training and experience in the martial arts.

Most serious martial artists, those that spend their lives studying, are gonna have experiences in grappling techniques, and are usually active in several different styles. I don't really think the UFC represents the "cream" of the Martial Arts community.