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hrdgain81 10-16-2008 09:06 AM

The Obama Tax Lie
I want to preface this thread by saying, I'm not a McCain supporter, while I may be a rebulican, I dont perticularly like McCain or Palin. I just find Obama's insistance that he is going to cut taxes ridiculous, and the fact that he out and out lies, and calls his social programs, taxs breaks kinda makes me wanna puke a little.

I leave it to you, have a look at what his plan entails, and decide for yourself.

Iced696 10-16-2008 10:25 AM

As a gun owner, what is below disturbs me as much as the rest of Obama's policies. I spent some time looking into these things and they are all verifiable. The first one is the one that bothers me the most. I may not agree with some of the things Bush has done and much like you, I'm not convinced about McCain and Palin. But I strongly feel that Obama is just telling people what they want to hear for now and we may very well see a much different Obama later.

Obama voted to allow the prosecution of people who use a firearm for self-defense in their homes
Illinois Senate, S.B. 2165, vote 20, 3/25/04

Obama voted to ban hundreds of rifles and shotguns commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
Illinois Senate, SB 1195, 3/13/03

Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting
United States Senate, S. 397, vote 217, 7/29/05

Obama endorsed a ban on all handguns
Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, 9/9/96
Politico, 03/31/08.

Obama supported increasing taxes on firearms and ammunition by 500 percent
Chicago Defender, 12/13/99

Obama opposes Right-to-Carry laws
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 4/2/08, Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04

When we take the guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, the only ones who will be armed are criminals!

hrdgain81 10-16-2008 10:38 AM

^^ I couldn't agree with you more sir. I am a fellow gun owner, and it sickens me when people try to take guns out of the hands of good standing citizens. Especially since every single place that has blanketly outlawed gun ownership, has seen a huge increase in violent crimes, crimes involving guns, and deaths involving guns.

john917v 10-16-2008 12:46 PM

If guns become illegal, then you'll have crooks selling more drugs/stealing more to buy them, since guns (which will be on the blackmarket) will be much more expensive.

john917v 10-16-2008 12:48 PM

Most of (maybe all) of the folks at, a firearms-related forum dislike Obama b/c of his negative views on firearms.

Another gun owner here.

Ross86 10-16-2008 01:04 PM

There is too much support for gun owners right now for anyone to worry IMO. I still worry anyway though. :) I love my guns. They are like children to me...except I take better care of them.

Ross86 10-16-2008 01:14 PM

Great article...I haven't read anything that was so biased in quite a while. It's kind of funny because they only talked about one side of the coin. You could write an equally biased article explaining how great his tax plan is. It's pretty misleading. It really pisses me off that the author purposefully didn't explain the reasoning for any of the plan (other than his idle, close minded speculation). I think people should know none of the truth rather than half of the truth if those are the only choices. Take this article with a grain of salt... No offense Matt. :)

This article:

Iced696 10-16-2008 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Ross86 (Post 68878)
There is too much support for gun owners right now for anyone to worry IMO. I still worry anyway though. :) I love my guns. They are like children to me...except I take better care of them.

I hear you Ross86..

_Wolf_ 10-16-2008 02:33 PM

Obama won't be able to take away guns.

McCain WILL manage to illegalize abortion and I worry about that....snatching women's rights away is wrong IMO.

I actually like Republicans - except for their stance on abortion.

MONSTAFACE 10-16-2008 02:57 PM

i didnt know people paid attention to that kind of stuff. i was just gonna vote for obama cause i seen him playing basketball :)


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