^^^ Yeah, you're the only person I ever remember seeing that doesn't include bar weight. It's part of the weight, so it should count.

Ok, I'll try..

I thought that's how y'all did it.. :)

on the deadlifts....try them standing up more...get your shins right on up to that bar...and then hinge at the hips to bend over and grab the bar....make sure your shoulder blades are right over the bar...not behind it. you could even try pulling sumo.

Wouldn't that cause me to round my back more?

you gotta learn how to hinge at the hips...and keep your arch. i get a better arch when i stand up more...and it helps my upper back to not round.

The more vertical you can get your posture, the less strain there is on your low back. This is because it transfers more of the load into compression along the spine and less load causing it to bend out of its arch.

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i may have missed something, but shouldnt dave be coming up faster on his dead lifts? i see you guys wrote some good stuff but i dont rememebr seeing that. unless that is close to his max.

They were pretty slow. Until he gets more arch and fixes his bar position, it will put more stress on his lower back. That's why I didn't mention it, but you're right Monsta.

Isn't his name doug?! lol

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oh yeah it is....... my bad doug lol. i was talkin to my homie dave at the time i was typing this lol