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I think it's the lack of arch that's throwing me off.

When I looked at the SS book, there was a picture of a tall guy in the starting position, and a short guy, and there was quite a difference in stances..

By arch, you mean lower back, right?

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Its true. The length of his limbs is throwing us off a bit. However, I think a couple of the reps in the vid had acceptable starting position but you are driving your hips/ass up without straightening your back at the same time. So you're getting right back to that bad position with your hips too high just a bit later into the pull. The straightening of your back and the straightening of your legs should be coordinated so they are happening at a pretty much the same time and rate.

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i think Rip did the smart thing by not inculdng much programming in SS. When you consider how much info there is already to digest, understand and then apply to your training, adding in a comprehensive programming section would just be way too much for one book imo. but at your stage of the game what's there is a fine starting point. it isnt perfect and you've already tweeked some things with the help of the guys here to better suit your particular needs anyway.

the problem with Arnold's book and basically ALL books written by pro or former pro BBers and all the major BBing publications is that they recommend routines and supplements for the general population that are/were used by genetic freaks taking drugs. the rules are completely different for us but they do everything possible to keep that little tidbit of info from getting out!

as far as your deads go right now Doug, i would stop worrying about "exhausting yourself" and put all your focus on getting your form down.

i'm not sure where this "exhaustion" mentality is coming from anyway. My mom's aerobic class does endless reps of curls, kickbacks and lateral raises with 2lb DB's and the ladies are drenched in sweat and thoroughly "exhausted" at the end of class but are they getting stronger? nope!

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[QUOTE]i'm not sure where this "exhaustion" mentality is coming from anyway.[/QUOTE

By exhaustion I don't mean dripping with sweat.. I mean lifting as much as you can for as long as you can..

ie. doing 10 chin ups at once, rather than 5 x 2..

I thought that's how you get muscle growth, by fatiguing the muscle..

Notice I don't talk about exhaustion with DL's or anything..

I wasn't doing the heavier weights to break a sweat (not that I wasn't sweating).

I have no problem doing the lighter weights more often, till I get the form right..

If you're trying to get stronger why would you want to do 10 reps when you could do 5 reps or 3 reps with a much heavier weight?

You're putting alot of focus on muscular fatigue but there are other types of fatigue at play as well. Muscular is simply the only one you can feel or judge, and its not a very good indicator for training effect.

Fatigue is not a goal, btw. The goal is to induce a training effect, ie lifting weights, and one of the side effects of this is fatigue.

If fatigue was the key to building muscle why would anyone deload?

Alot of the problems here are stemming from fundamental things. Life would be alot easier for you if you did more reading

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i'm not the guy to explain all that to you but you can fatigue a muscle plenty without causing one iota of muscle growth!

If you haven't read all of the stickies, then start there. Read all of them.

I've read some of them..

I'll try to work my way through all of them..

I'm going to crack down on my diet and cardio.. again..

Try to get this belly fat gone..

So I'll start posting my meals.. again, and doing REAL cardio.. again..

High intensity, with some low intensity sprinkled in..