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Old 06-30-2008, 02:18 PM
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Maybe the Flash could curve a bullet, lol. Or superman perhaps

The clusters should be the toughest week, probably. It's funny because the "peak" having singles is probably easier in my experience and that kind of demonstrates the difference between a "peak" and what many people view it as. Although the singles in themselves are of course a very productive tool.
LOL @ superman and flash!

Regarding clusters, they destroyed me thoroughly. Some of the stuff EC has laid out in the book you've made me do many times before so not all of it is new. The only "new" thing for me exercise-wise is front squat variations
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:21 PM
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I my isshinryu and ju jitsu sensei used to always say "Perfect practice makes perfect" ... thought that was fitting here.
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:48 PM
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i despise angelina. ick. i just can't dig a chick who looks like a fence post...and xylophone ribs.
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:51 PM
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and good on ya for the clusters..when i read through that...i was like.....well maybe in a couple years i can do maximum strength
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Old 06-30-2008, 11:28 PM
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Angelina IS horrible, give me Jennifer Anniston anyday, man I saw a pic in a mag today of Jen in this Gstring bikini, Damn I still cant stop thinking of it

Brad Pitt is a twat.

Anuj, i love ECs book.I been doing what I can of the warmups a mobility stuff its truly wonderful.
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Andrew, I reacted only to what you said in your posts. I did not react to what I thought I knew about your or didn't know, or to what I thought your "qualifications" were. I don't really need a resume...it will not stop me from reacting honestly to specific things you say.

You are saying two different things. You implied that reps with bad form "force adapatation". THAT was what I reacted to. Nobody is arguging that there will not be tought and wobbly reps. But anuj's goal is to add to his 1RM's for his primary movements in this program.

Anuj is NOT at the point where it is safe to say that he can "intuit" correct form when it comes to something like volume oriented deadlift sessions. And there is a big difference between all those things you are saying that you are willing to do in a comp and what we are saying here. Maybe you have a willingness to take chances that he doesn't NEED to take. Try not to make your goals universal. I never said all these things about every rep being perfect. I only reacted to the specific comments you made about form and adaptation. Just because someone believes that injuries can be avoided doesn't mean they are saying not to "lay it on the line". But I understand that that was not your intention.

As far as the rest of it about the body playing to strengths...that's true. But I've already spoken about that and, quite frankly, I've put too much personal work into nursing Anuj back to strong shoulders and back, etc..I know what it's like for him when he gets injured and I can't just let cavelier comments about form and injuries go. I'm not trying to come off as combative and I don't disagree with everything you said, I'm only looking to protect Anuj from what I know his tendencies to be.

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I will concur that anything in the 70-80% range is excellent for building strength... but at some point you have to be working with a higher 80% than the week before. The only way you get there is by limit testing of some sort. In limit testing you are going to get some slop in form.
This is not a program based on linear progression. It is set up in phases, and testing is built in. The idea is to use the max weigth one can with good form. And the later phases are 85%+ and then 90% plus range. But I'm not sure what the above has to do with what I said since loading is a built in asumption, so I'll leave it at. that.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

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Anuj is NOT at the point where it is safe to say that he can "intuit" correct form when it comes to something like volume oriented deadlift sessions.
no shit. I do not intend to take unnecessary chances. i agree with you completely, E.
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Just because someone believes that injuries can be avoided doesn't mean they are saying not to "lay it on the line". But I understand that that was not your intention.
I would say that we definitely don't see eye to eye here. My experience has taught me and shown me that injuries happen. Not for lack of trying to avoid them, but the sport of weight lifting is dangerous. Aside from the downright clumsy crap I've done to myself through the years (dropping weights on toes, etc) I've had injuries that I never saw coming. A partial pec tear beaing one of them. The addition of weight begins to expose flaws in the way we move, or exposes weaknesses in musculature/joints. I recon that most of that is congenital and is typically brought to light under innocent enough circumstances. Sure, you will get the occasional kid that thinks they can squat 400lbs and gets squished... but you can't fix stupid and you can't save people from themselves. The rest of the time I'm willing to bet that most people don't suspect an injury prior to the big moment. So how do you train around this?

As an example, and I recognize that you don't want to hear my life story... but this fits, I was training Olympic lifts last night. I met with the assistant coach of the local weightlifting club. No shlub, the club has national competitors in olympic lifting. So I had the right person watching me and guiding me, in person. Even so I still managed to screw up a couple cleans and catch the bar in painful places. Had a couple snatches that were out of whack too, causing me to fight to get control of the bar. As a result I'm a little banged up, and not just DOMS. The weights were not maximal, as I was only working on form tweaks. Granted the lifts are pretty technical, but crap happens.


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I'm not trying to come off as combative and I don't disagree with everything you said, I'm only looking to protect Anuj from what I know his tendencies to be.
No... as his trainer you do what you have to do to keep him on track. I'm just offering "alternative" views. I've known Anuj from way back, and I'm just being me. I'm sure by this point he knows to ignore me
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Beginning Thoughts:
So...I went swing dancing with my girl last night....and I am so damn sore today!
Workout:
Started off with cluster sets on the Incline Barbell Bench Press supersetted with Pull-ups. I used 155 lbs on the IBBBP and my bodyweight on the PU. Got in all 40 reps and it killed me. This is so damn difficult its not funny. I cheated a lot on the Incline Presses. I think next time I am going to take only 135 lbs.

Moved on from that to Flat Dumbbell Bench Press and Head Supported Rows. Followed that with some Backhand chops and Zottman Curls. I'm beat.
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Very tiring workout....I hope everyone is having a good week
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I just got owned on the incline press today Wolf Not to worry its a bitch of an exercise.Nice W/O
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