Good luck to the both of you. Your both taking a very different apprach to this , but I'm sure if you stick to your plan you will both be very successful.

It will be interesting to see how you John do this as you are going on a vegetarian diet and totally by feeling , while HG is weighing and recording everything.

The most accurate way to track measurements is first thing in the morning like that.

Wake, use the restroom, then do weight and measurements before you eat or drink anything.

;)

Consider this piece of real estate stickied.

If Jeff1899 wants to open up his own journal, I will stick his as well. I think it would be funnier watching the two of you talking shit in each others journals.. Plus it'll be seperated to see improvement on each side.

If Jeff agrees, just open up your own journal and I'll transfer your posts in there. :)

^^^ agreed :)

hahhah thats awesome Dan, thanks for stickying (is that a word?) this thread. I've been keeping my lifting/cardio updates in my other journal, but I think it would be better to talk shit here, just so its all in one central location for everyone to see.

That being said, I'll make the same argument about Jeff's diet here that I did when we talked about starting this thread. There is no way that at 358lbs, you can get enough nutrients in your diet through being a veg-douche. You will simply slip into a starvation state, and there is where you will stay. especially on 3 meals a day. Add to that the amount of energy expended durring yoru workouts, and I dont know how your body hasnt shut down already.

Look at it this way, if my cals are too high for me to lose, I can slowly adjust them downward. If your eating 2000 cals a day jeff, where is there to go in the future?

Let the shit talking commence!! (I love it) :biglaugh:

hahaha this is gonna be awesome... it will keep me dedicated too cause i talk to Hrdgain everyday

I agree, but knowing your luck, Jeff will turn out to be a genetic freak and transgress the laws of human physiology. :D

Since you guys are "dieting", have you considered making any bets on a fat rebound after the contest is over?

^^ hahah thats a long shot ross, for jeff's sake though lets hope that happens.

Here are my days totals per fitday:

Totals Cals 3514 fat 157g Carbs 155g Pro 352g

This has been about average this week. I haven't hit my numbers yet, but I'm full all day. I'm going to ride this out this week and see where I am. Here is my menu for today ...

M1 - 1/2 cup oats, 1 scoop whey, 1/2 cup cottage cheese

M2 - 6 egg omlet, 4 strips turkey bacon

M3 - Beef Brisket, with 1/2 cup mash potatoes, and cauliflower

M4 - Beef Brisket, with 1/2 cup mash potatoes, and cauliflower

M6 - Xtend six scoops (Pre and durring w/o)

M7 - 2 scoops whey

M8 - 1 can tuna, 2tbls spinach dip, 4 slices of cheese, and six multi-grain crackers.


that tuna dip is a little something I just whipped up tonight, for some reason my stomach never wants to accept food after a work out. Perhaps 2 cans of tuna would have been better for my overall numbers, but I'm so full right now.