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ummm.....im a little confused.

isnt milk supposed to NOT be good for ur body? im not asking this like a know-it-all....i genuinely dont know....

here is an article which talks about milk which made me change my mind regarding milk: http://intensemuscle.com/showthread....highlight=milk

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That's the article on Muscle Milk by David Barr. The one Dr X just posted here. It's a protein product. LOL, did you just skim that, Anuj?

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

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no...i thought they were referring to it as muscle milk in the context of it having protein to build muscle..











yeah, i skimmed it

well, not all of it eric. only a little bit.

Nope, a gallon of whole milk is usually the missing link towards increased strength/mass.

Matter of fact, if anyone was paying attention during the movie, "Pumping Iron", a reporter asked Arnold is he drank a lot of skim milk. Arnold replied saying, "Oh no, only a lot of WHOLE MILK". Everyone demonizes whole milk in these bodybuilding forums, but unless you're 8 weeks out from strutting on stage, you should stop being a pussy about what you eat and JUST EAT! This goes back to people misinterpreting the nasty words "clean bulk". A lot of people seem to think that means 'skim milk', a handful of almonds, and lots of tuna! -> Same people who are the perpetually ripped 150 lbs and are pissed they cannot gain muscle.

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DE BENCH day was so-so. Wednesday's are on the tail end of my 5 twelve hour night shifts, so the motivation was slightly lower than I'd like. Kinda like sleep walking into the gym. The only thing that saved me was my preworkout cocktail with an extra 100 mg caffiene.

Banded speed bench was on the slow side because of being run down. It took 2 sets close grip before the caffiene kicked in. Blasted through the rest, and moved onto push presses for a heavy single. Last week I did 255 x 3 (which was my old 1 RM), so I had to go way heavier. After all the warmups I threw on 275 and nailed it. The first time I didn't lock out, so I brought it down and threw it up again. Love the feeling of power after locking out and holding it for a few seconds (in case anyone missed it ).

115 DB's for incline presses ss w/ 30 lb weighted pullups. Depending on what my OHP's are next week, I'll either do the 115's again for 2 x 10 OR possibly switch up to decline DB press. If I'm back to strict standing military's for 3 sets of 5, then declines it is because it's a lot of weight to put on my shoulders.

Added another 10 pounds for pulldowns which is still easy, but I don't want to come anywhere close to failure with these. I'd much rather increase my chest-supported rows (which I did today). All three sets of 10 with 3 plates, 25 plate per side.

Arms I went with incline curls ss w/ rolling DB triceps extensions. Just used a pair of 40's 3 x 10 for both exercises.

Shoulder prehab for 2 x 20 and I was out!

Also, I weighed myself today for the first time in a while -> 256 lbs! I just went back in my emails and checked out what I wrote on Matt's questionare and I put 245 pounds! Pretty fucking good side effect from strength training!! Only supplements I've been taking since I started is CEE, waxy maize, protein, and I'm product testing the EAA's... Damn, with my one (and only) cycle of superdrol I got up to 262 lbs and I'm almost back there NATURALLY, and I'm NOT even training for mass!

DE SQUAT/DEADLIFT:

Fairly easy day with the exception of heavy dumbbell swings. I'm wave loading my speed squats, so last week I was at 255 Banded, this week I'm back down to 225 Banded. Of course I was fast as fuck, twice as fast (didn't think that was possible) than last time I was doing 225 many weeks ago. So I'm liking the wave loading.

Speed deadlifts I bumped up to 365 with the light bands wrapped once around the bottom of the powerrack, then doubled on the bar. Decent speed, killer on the top end with the bands. I'll probably hold this weight banded over for an extra week or two to bring up my speed.

DB swings bumped back up to 95 lbs ss w/ some 30 lb weighted hypers. Banded abs pulldowns I added an extra set of 15 reps. Now I'm at 3 x 15, 2 x 10. Still fucking tough sets.

Calvers did 3.25 plates per side of the hammer strength and did 1 x 14 reps DC style. Increased my time under stretch to 15 seconds from 10 previous. The fire felt from these can be felt almost all the way up my hamstrings.

Cannot wait for some CGB for ME Bench tomorrow. Gonna be fun.

Maybe a stupid question; but, doesn't whole milk have more fat and less protein then 2% or even skim ?
So if your drinking whole milk , of course your going to put on weight, but how much of that is fat ?

That's like saying, "Get the 92% lean beef because the 85% lean makes a huge difference and it'll give you a spare tire!" I don't understand why people get too obsessive with this? I haven't put on IMO any fat drinking a half gallon, and every once a while a whole gallon per day of whole milk.

BTW, I don't drink an entire gallon every single day since I started powerlifting either! I certainly try to always get in as much as my wallet allows on training days, less of course when I'm not training. It's a no-brainer..

For me, it's benefits are two fold:

1) Sometimes I don't eat enough in a day or feel too full to forcefeed any more food, so I drink it instead between meals to keep my protein/calories a lot higher.

2) It's a plateau buster. If you aren't gaining weight, or plateaued strength wise, whole milk IS INDEED the cure IMO. It's never let me down!

People all over these forums are way to "nit picky" when it comes to this. Kinda sounds like "if you eat fat, you'll get fat" which is far from the case. I highly recommend it to anyone because of the content of their posts asking for help. Mainly, "I'm not growing", or "I'm stuck at my rep max". "I've fallen and I can't get up". In most of these cases, it's a severe lack of calories, and I don't care what the fuck they think their daily caloric levels are at..They're wrong.

You need calories to grow. Period. The protein content in whole milk is the same as skim milk. The only difference is extra amounts of fats, which increases the overall calories. 9/10 of the people "bodybuilding" is severely UNDERSHOOTING or shall I say, undereating. They 'think' they're around 3000 cals per day (which isn't shit), but in reality, it's more like 2200 or something.

Joe the bodybuilder probably shouldn't be drinking too much milk AT ALL when he's planning on a comp. But, for someone looking for strength OR MASS gain, whole milk is IMO a super way to drive up your cals IMO.


In my situation, I know for a fact that I really didn't put on any fat. If you add up the amount of weeks (17) it took me to progressively increase from 244 to 256 lbs, it comes out to about a pound and a half per week. Considering that I do in fact eat VERY clean (just a lot of it), and workout like an animal (see previous weights) I know it's mostly muscle.

A normal day for me eating wise:

3:30 am: 5 egg whites, 4-5 whole eggs, oatmeal (plain), water, multi

5:00 am: Whole milk

6:00 am: Bowl of whole wheat spaghetti w/ meat sauce (lots of meat too!) Also lots of broccoli

7:30 am: 2 scoops whey, 2 tbsp flax, water

8:30 am: Tall glass of *gulp* whole milk

10:00 am: Bowl of whole wheat spaghetti w/ lots of meat sauce, broccoli

12:00 pm: 2 scoops whey, 2 tbsp flax, water

1:00 pm: Whole milk

3:00 pm: Another round of spaghetti/meat/broccoli

5:00 pm: 1 scoop whey, 50 grams of oatmeal (plain) just before I leave work for my drive home. Sorta my preworkout meal.

6:15 pm: 1 scoop waxy maize, 3 scoops EAA's, ect

WORKOUT (6:30 - around 8 pm)

8 pm: PWO: 2 scoops waxy maize, 4 grams CEE

8:15 pm: 3 scoops whey protein, water

9:00 pm: PPWO: Finish off spaghetti w/ meat

10:30 - 11 pm Prebed: Casein protein, flax oil

Yup, don't get much sleep. This is a usual example of when I have a DAY SHIFT at work. Most of the time I'm sneaking in more whole milk throughout the day, but I'm not posting that.

For food selection, my diet is based off of some type of meat. This example was how I chose to cook 1-2 pounds of ground beef and eat it. Tomorrow I could feature 5 boiled chicken breasts w/ potatoes and veggies or something else. Whatever meat I choose, it gets cooked the night before and stored in tupperware for me to chip away during the day. I also always loosely stick to PRO/FAT and PRO/CARB alternating throughout the day.

With all that in mind, for a 256 pound fellow, I'm happy. I don't know if the above schedule is 100% what I did in regards to exact times, but it's close.

Wow man, that's alot of calories. I know that you said you don't count cals more protein and carbs. Looks like your getting a lot of them. Do you try for 2g/lb(protein) or more ?

I agree with what you said about the milk being like XL hamburg to normal or whatever. I know that the calories difference is about 50 between 1% and whole, per cup.

Just like you I try to get as much food into me as possible,(ie 1-2lbs hamburger or 4-6 chicken breasts or fish, with mostly rice or potatoes) but I don't put as much liquid cals into my body as you do.
I have learned some things from what you said, I agree with most of it, but at the same time I want to put on size and keep my bf down. Which I have over time. It is harder to do, but not impossible.
However I will be making some changes to my diet over the next few weeks in order to get stronger without hitting a plateu. And adding a few extra liters a day of milk will help with this.

You said you use Waxy Maize, what is that ?

As of now I don't really count. That's a testament to how much I eat. I'm at 2 grams per day of protein hands down.

Shit, after everything you read that I eat in a day, I'm still able to keep my bodyfat down as well. Now I'm not a ripped 6%, but I'm not over 20% either! You'd be very surprised to see how much you can eat without adding TOO much fat provided you're active.

So people really stuck with wanting 6% bodyfat will also have to come to terms with the fact that their situation won't change while they're eating their twigs and berries and volunteering to run a marathon because they went up a pant size.

Waxy Maize