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Old 04-22-2007, 11:56 AM
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The other side to this is that many whey protien powders have gluten in them also. So I plan to use straight BCAA's for my shakes (flame away boys). I know many will say its not optimal, but I've been used Purple Wraath (EAA's) as my pre and post shakes on the last run, and my strength shot up. I just picked up a kilo, so it should be interesting to see how this plays out ... which leads us to ...
Hey I glossed over this before. I'm not going to flame you Just for future reference, there are some gluten free whey isolates out there. NOW makes one I know. You do have to be careful though as some manufactures will say gluten free just because they don't directly include it in the recipe. That doesn't mean there can't be gluten hiding out somewhere in one of the components, such as the coloring. But if you contact manufactures and ask directly you should be able to find a suitable product if you need to.

Something else for if you do turn out to have celiac...and this is going to be ironic, but glutamine would be a good thing for you to take. Rebuilding and maintaining the health of the gut is one of the things glutamine IS very good for.

Here's a nice page with a bunch of resources at the bottom:

http://www.bio.davidson.edu/courses/Immunology/Students/spring2006/Mohr/celiac.html

And have you ever tried this, just for info?

http://www.diagnose-me.com/
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:21 AM
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Thanks eric, those links are very helpful. I've been through much of the info regarding Celiac, and I am just going off the assumption that I have it. I know its not the best way to go about it, but I cringe at the thought of having blood taken, so I'm gonna be a girl about it and just not eat gluten. Its not easy, but with my tolerance for carbs is nill anyway, so its not gonna be a huge change in diet.

I have heard that there was gluten free whey, but I already have more then a kilo of BCAA's, and my gains in strength have been consistant, so I see no reason to change it up at this point.

Any thoughts on the lower back issues?
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:54 AM
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It's really difficult to say. The first things that come to mind is that the way you are doing deadlifts just doesn't work for you. I'm also thinking either strength or flexibility imbalances. That is, either you lower back is taking to much of the load proportionately (which may be fine for some people some of the time) or something is tight around the core or posterior chain and is pulling on your lower back causing it to spasm.

One thing to keep in mind is that much of the time aggravation to the lower back is proportionate to load. People tend to think of
SLDL's for instance as a "lower back" exercise. Then they wonder why this doesn't hurt and deadlifts, squats, or something else does. They fail to take into account the load on the back which tends to compound the effect exponentially even if it doesn't involve excessive extension of the back. In other words if you compare the extensor forces of 200 pounds to 100 pounds the difference in effect is not "just" 100 pounds. Obviously the geometical configuration of the body plays a part but you get the idea of what I'm saying.

In a nutshell, sometimes certain things are too heavy and other things are not.

Another thought is that just because it happens during deadlift doesn't mean that other things aren't playing a part in it. At least if it is a general overtraining thing. So I'm not sure if your making wise choices in terms of front squats, for instance, which obviously shifts your center of gravity into an unnatural state and increase extensor forces on the lower back.

But it's soooo complicated to pin down these problems. Most peoples first thought is to strengthen the lower back so they add extensions and all sorts of other stuff. That may be wise but if it is other weakness that is causing the problem it won't help. Cuz it may be that the lower back is not "weak", at least not relatively speaking, but that is simply doing more than it's fair share of the work. That is not to say that some additional strengthening isn't a VERY good idea though. But whether in this particular set up that's a good idea is hard to say. But if you choose to address lower back stregnth you need to choose things that strengthen it without placing such a huge load on it that it just excacerbates the problem.

Because it's one thing to try and strengthen the back when it's all very abstract and you're not having any particular problems. But when it's actually hurting it's a whole nother ball game.

I think you should analyse your deadlift. Try to break it down step by step and determine where, if anywhere, the chain may be breaking.

I would start stretching the entire hip flexor and posterior chain area after every "lower body" thing. Including lower back, psoas/ilopsoas, buttocks (yep!) and hamstring.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:01 AM
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Makes sense to me eric, next week when I get back to DL'ing (this week is SLDL) I will see if I can get some one to record it so I can post it up. My form may be off, but its hard to tell when your training by yourself.

Another problem i have found is that the floors in the gym arent exactly level. When you DL, and one end of the bar hits the ground before the other, its not a good sign. I dont think thats "cause" but I dont think its helping.

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would start stretching the entire hip flexor and posterior chain area after every "lower body" thing. Including lower back, psoas/ilopsoas, buttocks (yep!) and hamstring.
Strenching is a must, i've been neglecting it for too long ... what movements would you suggest for the areas you mentioned?
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:17 AM
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My form may be off, but its hard to tell when your training by yourself.
Yeah, it defintiely is. And I didn't mean form per se as much as an unavoidable breakdwon in form. A kind of despite your best intentions thing. That can be even harder to spot. Really though you'll probably end up lightening the load considerably. Because if from is breaking down the heavy and correct just won't mix.

Honestly dude I think an unlevel floor could definitely cause a problem. I mean if one side is touching down first then it would seem to me one side is leaving the floor first.

I'll post a list of the things I like on stretching for you. Everybody is different and I'm not a rehab specialist but I'll give you what works for me and what I think is reasonable.

Another thing I like to do is "warm up" the lower back doing bridging type exercises. Just something real quick to just let the area know what's going on. But honestly if you haven't been directly stretching the area it should definitely help a lot. I'm not saying it's going to fix the problem but I'm sure it will make a big difference.

If while you are stretching the areas after you workout, you identify an area that is really chronically tight then it would be reasonable to stretch that particular area pre workout. Because a lot of time what causes a tightness in one area that is causing problems in other areas is an excessive "tonus". Sort of an overactive neuron thing. So while normally stretching statically before would be a not so good thing, in this case it could help because it would dampen or tune down that overactive muscle a little.
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:23 AM
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Thanks eric, your input as always is very helpful and appreciated.
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Old 04-23-2007, 05:37 PM
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Monday

Training:
squat 290x4
Flat Bench 305x4

Diet
I decided that im putting on a little to much chub, so Im throwing in the e\c stack for a few weeks. Im also picking up a product called Restore AD by RPN nutrition. Its suppose to help restore normal adrenal function after using stims like e\c stack. Im interested to see if it does what its suppose to.

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I am not happy with tonights numbers, I missed the last rep on squats. It was all form error, for some reason i held my breath on the way down, and I had nothing to push with. Bench was different, I needed a spot at the end of the fourth, and for most of the fifth. Not so bad, but i have some things to work on.
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Old 04-30-2007, 06:15 AM
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I'm taking off this week from the wieghts. I'm patiently waiting for my blood test results, and allowing the discomfort in my pec/bi to subside. Hopefully I'll be back at it next week.

I will be transitioning into a strength endurance program here soon also, but i want to get in to the 300+ range for 5 reps on squats before I do so. Although i dont know that it will make much difference, it was a goal I had set to have all big 3 in that range, so i'd like to atleast complete that.
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Old 04-30-2007, 06:39 AM
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Hope everything goes well bro.

It sure dosen't seem like it will be hard for you to get into the 300+ mark. The week off will help.
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Old 04-30-2007, 08:57 AM
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I was thinking the same thing Talo. I've never been this high on any of these lifts, so I'm gonna take the week, then go at it again. I'll post up my PR's in the PR thread in a few weeks.
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