Go Back   Bodybuilding.net - Bodybuilding Forum > Members Section > Personal Journals
Register Community Today's Posts Search


Hey there!

It looks like you're enjoying our bodybuildng forum but haven't created an account yet. Why not take a minute to register for your own free account now? As a member you get free access to all of our bodybuilding forums and posts plus the ability to post your own messages, communicate directly with other members and much more. Register now!

Already a member? Login at the top of this page to stop seeing this message.

HIThoppers Training Journal



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-06-2008, 11:22 AM
EricT EricT is offline
Rank: Heavyweight
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,314
Default

Quote:
I think I was concentrating too much on being able to go low
You know this is a very important point. This thing about going low is like a plague. I just mentioned this before to somebody..I think it might have been Marv.

You should never be working at the end-most of your range of motion. That is the point at which your are weakest and have the least control. The idea that you must go as low as possible in everything you do or display the most ROM possilbe leads to the kind of thing in the vid. You only need to go to the point where you can display perfect form and where you have full strength. Once you go past that you are not only at a disadvantage but your are basically no longer exercising but stretching under load (or at least trying to resist as stretch under load).

I think maybe a lot of people don't recognize that sometimes thing feel so heavy because they have exceeded their effective ROM. For instance your do static split squats and you try to go as low as possible with a long stride length so that the hip flexor is stretching bigtime and you get a ham stetch and what is happening is that you are no longer doing a split squat you are doing a loaded split!

As your ROM in terms of flexibility and mobility gets better the trick is to be able to increase your EFFECTIVE range of motion. Ever heard that term? Effective ROM? That is what it means. If you do a full static stretch then you are not at an effective range of motion.

Another great example of this is when people do deadlfit variations like RDL's. They like to "get a good stretch" in the hammies becasue they have been led to believe that this will make them grow. The way to do an RDL is you go until you feel it in your hammies. You feel a slight tug. People have taken that and turned it into "stretch the hams". Well, if you take that too far you are comprimising strength and risking injury. If you can increase your ROM with control that is different...but not always necessary.

So..the moral is only go as low as you are effective. In this case it means only as low as your back remains set.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
or
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-06-2008, 01:06 PM
iron_worker's Avatar
iron_worker iron_worker is offline
Rank: Light Heavyweight
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Saskatoon, Sk, Canada
Posts: 3,272
Send a message via MSN to iron_worker
Default

That some good info there Eric. Makes me think about my squats a little. I think why I've been having trouble with deads lately is because I'm workin too low on squats to where my back rounds a little bit right at the bottom. Maybe have to start stretchin the hams on off days.

IronWorker
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-06-2008, 01:50 PM
EricT EricT is offline
Rank: Heavyweight
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,314
Default

I had the same exact problem.

There are some pretty good tips in marv's journal on all this. Not as good as a specific evaluation by a real pro of course but there are good ways and bad ways to work on mobility.

The way the back rounds out at the bottom and these other examples is why JUST doing the exercise will not ALWAYS work if you don't know the difference between bad mobility and good. Some people say that all you need to do to squat deep is squat. In a perfect world where all your muscles were at the same exact range of tightness that would be true! But of course that is never the case. Now, squatting type drills are a part of it but just squatting under load won't result in a perfect controlled mobility.

Basically, if you have strong muscle and weak muscles in an imbalance then the strong muscles will continue to get stronger and overworked while the weak muscles continue to get weaker UNLESS you do something specific to correct that. Flexibility is a part of the same coin. If you have tight muscles and loose muscles the loose ones will cointinue to give you the range of motion the tight muscles can't, probably to your detriment. OR I should say tight joints because it is really about the ROM of the whole joint but specific muscles can be a part of that.

So if something lacks mobility something else has to compensate. It could be a joint under or above or both. But remember that your lower back isn't meant to have a huge degree of mobility. It needs stabibility. It's your hips that should be mobile.

Hits, I just shot Anuj this page with a vid of a good extension.

http://www.performancemenu.com/short...ty&shortyID=29

Watch the vid under HIP EXTENSION. That is the way it should look except a nice pause at the top would be good.

IGNORE the "back extension" vid and don't worry about the distinction between the excercise names. Call it what you want but do it with hip extension. Then if you do the statics that will work further on back endurance as well as overall core endurance. This is what your back does and is meant to do under load. Again, I try to never use the term 'hyperextensions' and of course the back stays in the same position during the whole thing and does not hyperextend at the top.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-07-2008, 02:52 AM
HIThopper's Avatar
HIThopper HIThopper is offline
Rank: Middleweight
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,029
Default

Stress Day

Funny old day, was gonna deload and go light for an easy 3x3, but I changed my stance and bar position a bit and felt stronger than ever on squats so i said fuck it and went for a PR! Finally after all this time 303x1 With the wider stance depth was not quite as low but I noticed 2 things with a wide stance.1- its the 1st time I ever really felt a strong use of the hammys and hips, and 2- I felt much tighter and more stable, and the weight didnt feel like it ended up on my toes when shit got heavy.After I did 2 sets of bulgarians, man THOSE FUCKERS ARE HARD!!On to bench hit 5x5 with a weight very close to my best 5x5 and I did it easy.Chins to finish and I was out.

Stress Day 7/4/08
Squat 1x1 120kg, 1x1 125kg (PR) , 1x1 130kg (PR)
Bench 5x5 77.5kg
JM Press 3x5 50kg
Chins 5x5 BW+8.5kg

I got vids of the squats coming.
__________________
There are no shortcuts. The fact that a shortcut is important to you means that you are a pussy. Let me be clear here: if you'd rather take steroids than do your squats heavy and drink enough milk, then you are a Fucking Pussy. I have no time or patience for Fucking Pussies. Please tell everyone you know that I said this.- Mark Rippetoe

My Youtube
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-07-2008, 03:24 AM
HIThopper's Avatar
HIThopper HIThopper is offline
Rank: Middleweight
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 2,029
Default

Heres the vid

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-07-2008, 06:41 AM
_Wolf_'s Avatar
_Wolf_ _Wolf_ is offline
Rank: Light Heavyweight
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas
Posts: 4,794
Send a message via MSN to _Wolf_
Default

your squats appear deep and it doesnt look like your doing the butt wink. good stuff!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-07-2008, 07:25 AM
Pitysister's Avatar
Pitysister Pitysister is offline
Rank: Light Heavyweight
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4,221
Default

hey hey...bulgarians are fun

nice work on the pr hops
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-07-2008, 11:37 AM
Jeffo Jeffo is offline
Rank: Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Holland
Posts: 99
Default

Hey Hops,

Three Hundred LBS mate!! That's been your thing for a while, eh? I'm sick happy for ya. I know how long you've wanted to squat 300, so how does it finally feel? Let me guess, you've already started to look at 350 LOL!!!

You should be proud of yourself mate. All that hard work has paid off.

Cheers bro,
Jeff
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-07-2008, 11:41 AM
EricT EricT is offline
Rank: Heavyweight
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,314
Default

Hits, those squats look great, man. I take it you still just using the belt for a reference?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-07-2008, 02:54 PM
iron_worker's Avatar
iron_worker iron_worker is offline
Rank: Light Heavyweight
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Saskatoon, Sk, Canada
Posts: 3,272
Send a message via MSN to iron_worker
Default

Squats look awesome. Great work.

One question though... but did I miss something cause 130kg ~ 286lbs.

Or did you not add the bar? I don't want to sound rude, just wondering. Either way, very good work.

IronWorker
Reply With Quote
Reply

  Bodybuilding.net - Bodybuilding Forum > Members Section > Personal Journals


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 6 (0 members and 6 guests)
 



 



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.