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OK Eric, we're definately on the same page with all the theory and technicalities then.
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Cool Jeff. I think that you are so smart about this stuff you may be out-thinking yourself. Case in point I wanted to hit on one exchange between us again.
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Most of what I say about the TM is in regards to people overthinking it. So if someone gets too caught up worring about PR's I'll just say worry about progressing on Monday and tending toward PR's on Friday and everything will work itself out. In other words, keep it simple. When we start getting into all the if's and and's of theory we can miss some very plain and simple things. We start making assumptions. When I say that progress can be linear from Monday to Monday and linear from Friday to Friday I mean exactly that. That's not just me talking that is Rip talking. Most trainees should definitely be looking for some simple linear progression for both days from week to week. I think most who are new to this kind of thing in general will do best with sticking at 1x5's on Friday. AND they should expect to simply add some weight to that 1x5 every Friday. So simple linear progression. It is also possible for many to start with a single and add a rep to that every Friday (quite an accomplishment, really). Again simple linear progression. Once a lot of progress has been made and you can't continue in that way on Friday then it's good to start changing it up with different rep attempts and see where that gets you. This is all assuming that progress is constent on Monday but make no mistake, the linear progress mon to mon and fri to fri is what everyone should start out going for. |
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Okay Eric, does this mean when I reset that on PR day I keep using my current PR weight to maintain strength levels. While dropping my Stress day weight by 10% to recover from fatigue and start building up again from there? |
Yes, assuming that you really do have fatigue and need a backoff. That doesn't mean that while you begin the backoff and begin to build back up that you can't also go for an actual new PR. In other words if you feel like you can do it, do it. Whatever you do for Monday's workout, whether it is to reduce something or to add to it, the idea is to maintain or re-establish the ability to make PR's on Friday.
Rip has some basic criteria in PP of what to look for and how to react. I think for most they'll simply find monday being stalled AND no PR's on Friday so a reduction in monday would be needed. But if you are making progress on Monday with no PR's then you probably need to do more on Monday (I will of course concede that PR's may not be made until after the build up period that most will want to do). It's going to be pretty difficult for most to know exactly what to do in order to always make PR's. But I also don't think there is any need for perfection. If you go throught with it as long as you can and for most of it you're making some forward progress on Monday and you're making PR's for a good percentage of the time but not necessarily all the time....you're going to come out at the end stronger. Making consistent PR's really means that you have balanced things very well. In other words that you have overstimulated (built up too much fatigue/exceeded recovery) and that you haven't understimulated (self explanatory, I hope). Definitely something to go for but I doubt many of us will be able to manage things quite so expertly :). |
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26/9/07 Light Day
Squat 2x5 71kg Press 5x5 35kg Deadlift 1x5 115kg Not a hard workout, press felt good and so did the deadlifts, opened up a nice cut on my shins too!! :greenchainsaw: Ahh the joys of Deadlifing!! Squats are still feeling weird I cant put my finger on it tho, they weren't hard really, maybe Im just overthinking them!! I tend to do that with most things haha |
Cool stuff Eric.
That stuff makes sense to me bro. Rip does a great job explaining this stuff in plain English in PP as well. Personally I've experienced both scenarios; stalling on Monday and Friday, as well as just stalling on Friday. The troubleshooting method fixed the problem in both cases. I understand what you mean by seeing linear progress from MON to MON and FRI to FRI. All I was trying to emphasize is that ones ability to make a PR on Friday is linked to what type of load was used on Monday. You said it well here: Quote:
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Cheers, Jeff Hey Hops, we all have good days and bad days in the rack. One thing you might want to check is your bar positioning. It is low enough or has it made its way towards you neck over the last little while? Just a thought. |
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BTW we've been spending alot of time talking about my training, hows yours going mate!! hope all is well and the backs ok Cheers Mate |
I'd avoid the mirror. It gives you inaccurate feedback as to body position. Leads to that overthinking you're talking about.
Really good call on the bar position question, Jeff. That could make a huge difference if one were inconsistent. |
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