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Old 07-28-2009, 07:44 AM
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Workout N°11 : PC&PP 60kg

I was a little bit tired today, I had not the feeling of power I had the last workout. With such a hard exercise you strength somewhat depends of your condition (sleep, stress, etc).


you must have changed your mind on this.....i thought these things didn't affect workouts at all?
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:54 AM
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It depends of the exercises. You can do a curl or lateral raises at maximum performances even if you are very tired. It's harder to do a Deadlift or a Power Clean & Push Press BUT you are right I changed my mind. When I did the PC & PP I used 80% of my 1RM and it was not enough... I was losing strength that's why I had the feeling my workouts were harder. Now I Deadlift everyday a 90% and I used to DL at 95% everyday without any problem, tired or not.
If I had to do a 1RM without sleeping enough for a few consecutive days maybe that I would be a little bit weaker or not... If you don't sleep at all or only a few hours for several days in a row you'll be MUCH weaker, no doubt about that but in "normal conditions" there are very little variations in strength.

Workout n°25

Deadlift : 152.5
Floor Press L/R : 41
Curl L/R : 25/24.5

Everything was easy. It's much more easier at 90% compared to 95% and normally the stimulation should be the same with less fatigue and thus no more fatigue accumulation, no more overtraining. IF it's not the case I'll have to decrease my frequency or take a week off here and there but I think it's not necessary if the load is optimum : MAX FORCE - MIN TIME/fatigue.
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:44 PM
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I can say without a doubt in my mind that sleep affects muscular performance in a *very* significant way. I think you're just fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

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Old 07-29-2009, 01:04 PM
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I can say without a doubt in my mind that sleep affects muscular performance in a *very* significant way. I think you're just fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

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I think it's a question of quantities. If you have a sleep debt of a few hours it won't have such an impact on your performances but if have a debt of >10h it'll have a negative impact. What I noticed is that when I feel tired I need to psyche up to be able to do my workout if not I may miss what's generaly an easy lift.

Workout n°26

Deadlift : 152.5, 175, 185 PR
Floor Press L/R : 41 easy
Curl L/R : 25/24.5 easy

I won't lie, my back was not perfectly straight at 185kg but it was not an ugly rep' like I did a month ago at 180kg. So I'm happy, a new PR, it's not the 210kg of Jonson but... .

I'll continue at 90% of 185kg : 167.5kg. I think I trained a little bit too light when I used ~150kg. I should be able to do a SAFE DL at ~165-170kg, probably not "perfect"...
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On both Deadlift and Press I do a single at 75-80% of my actual 1RM and on Curl I test 1x80% right arm versus 1x70% left arm too see if I can get the same results with 70% insteed of 80%. I train 2x per week.
Are you making progress? Doing different weights with each arm is going to give you an imbalance. Obviously lifting a heavier weight will give you a different stimulus than lifting a lighter one. Are you eating well?
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Old 01-03-2009, 02:09 PM
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I'm not sure if I'll make progress I'll know in 2-3 months. Training with different weights might give me imbalance IF training with an heavier load provide a stronger stimulus. I'm not sure about that.

I generaly eat too much
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Old 01-03-2009, 02:40 PM
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Training with different weights might give me imbalance IF training with an heavier load provide a stronger stimulus.
It does. Unless you feel like you need to reinvent the wheel, there is no point. It's common sense, but there are surely some studies out there that look at this. Google it and you'll keep from wasting a bunch of time and effort.

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I generaly eat too much
No such thing!

If you don't know whether your method is going to work, then you have problems. Narrow it down to these three basic outcomes:
-It won't work.
-It won't work well.
-It will work well.
Based on everything I know, you're going to fall somewhere between "It won't work" and "It won't work well". I'm sure the majority of the people on the board, if not all, will agree.

There are plenty of proven routines and methods. It honestly sounds like you're just having a science experiment and you're not too concerned with getting stronger. If you actually want to get stronger and not waste your time, you could do some reading and find out why your theory is false while following a good routine. It is not at all complicated if you take the time to educate yourself.

If you do make strength gains, they will not be maximal. Period. The frequency and percentages you are using dictate that this is not an effective program. IF you are serious about strength training or bodybuilding, then you're wasting your time.

With that said, I appreciate the fact that you're trying to do something different. I hope you will take a look at what you're doing and realize what you need to do. Good luck
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Old 01-07-2009, 06:57 AM
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It honestly sounds like you're just having a science experiment and you're not too concerned with getting stronger
You are right, I'm doing a test and I'm more concerned by the results than the gains. We will see in a few weeks/months how it works.

Workout n°3

Standing Press : 45kg
Deadlift : 131kg
Curl : 18/21.5kg
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:47 AM
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Ok then, cool. It wasn't 100% clear before.
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Old 01-10-2009, 05:25 AM
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Workout n°4

Standing Press : 45kg
Deadlift : 132kg
Curl : 18/21.5kg

The Deadlift was not as easy as it should have been... but I have been sick this week and didn't sleep well so... I'll have to wait until the next workout to know. If it is still too hard I'll decrease the weight to 110 or 120kg.
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