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I literally meant, instead of:

Deloaded Rows
185x7, 180x7, 175x8, 145x10

For the last set of 10, what you called the hypertrophy" one, switch to one-arm dumbells, or cable rows (I didn't mean the chest had to always be literally supported), bench supported rows, head-supported rows (cressey..I don't like them personally but that's only because of my neck problem), etc.., so on.

I also like to do rows from different angles, etc..like high-low pulley rows, or low-high. Basically I find that a large rowing variety is friendly to the shoulders. You already have face-pulls and to me that counts as a rowing variety as well. Hell the the other day I just did a bunch of standing rows with a band for a different flavor (that was in addition to heavier rowing before). Given, though, I do a TON of pulling as compared to most people.

You know the whole deloaded row thing is a tool like anything else. The making it the be all and end all started with the propaganda of a relatively few people, and all of them associated

As far as lower back endurance, a non deloaded barbell row would seem to adress that better, imho.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

i agree on that. you may not be able to go as heavy...but it definitely takes some endurance.

Ok we're on the same page now, I'll throw in something for that hypertrophy set next week.

Only reason I'm sticking with the deloaded rows is because they're my heaviest row right now and I'm progressing well with them. I didn't buy into the propaganda (I might have sold some though )

A non-deloaded row, for me, takes weight from the bar. I can't go as heavy as the deloaded ones (like Pity said) and I'd rather prioritize strength (on primary sets anyway). I think that I'll end up getting some more endurance from core work, rather than kill 2 birds with 1 stone (your words, not mine )

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