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Old 03-06-2008, 02:50 PM
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^^^^Yeah, I just linked that thread somewhere. I'll find it.

The plastic stacker steppers I know have been used by 0311. Yes, I think the average ones they would have in a gym should be strong enough. Especially considering the weight is a little bit more spread out on them when you squat rather than 250 pound individuals "aerobicizing" on them. Just make sure they won't move around.

As far them taking pressure off the knees the answer is yes, no, it depends, etc so on . If your knees are bothering you than I wouldn't go right to box squats because while you are getting the trick of them your knee could get worse. It also is going to depend on the box squat height.

Now I recommended RDL's to pity based on what he has available. I would like to point out that in that equation the single leg variation is just as important. He's doing step-ups after his deadlifts...a good day.

You could also try pull-throughs. I know you've been doing at least a bit of glute activation so light pull throughs with a focus on hip extension via posterior chain with a stable back would be good to start with as well. RDL's are certainly a choice. A few people here work out at home so of course they will vary based on that as well, and not just pure choice.

GHR's ghetto style are going to tend to cause some knee discomfort but for most if you just take it easy with them and build it slowly the knees should adjust. Pain of course is unacceptable. I'll let the individual be the judge of what is pain and what is discomfort. If Pity says GHR's hurt his knees and he doesn't want to do them, I've no problem with that. But I will warn that some discomfort is to be expected but doesn't necessarily mean you need to scrap it. If your knees are currently bothering you then I would say no to GHR's right now.

I don't think switching programs entirely because you experience some knee pain is the answer. It's going to happen now and again and you just need to make some adjustments. I think people are becoming very rigid with the idea of progression. There just comes a time when you have to rearrange, add, take away, etc. You want to try and give everything a good go make some progress, at least when you are doing this standard type of strength/mass stuff. But if you need to replace an exercise or change one varitation for another to protect you knees or you just aren't progressing anymore don't worry about it. Just do it. You certainly don't have to switch to westside just because you want to do reverse hypers or GHR's

Obviously you do a lot of deadlifting so of course the PC is really getting worked. But that does not mean that hams strength is getting addresssed enough, for intance, to keep the knees happy.

70 percent of all my "lower body" work is PC stuff, btw. If not more.

You might want to stretch the quads a bit if you aren't already. If your aren't already doing the mobility warmup it would be a good idea...those dynamic stretches that involve lunges and such....this will help the knees and address hip mobility and also make sure that the knees ARE thouroughly warmed up. Do some extensions just with air as the weight to help get blood into the joint.

Are your ankles mobile enough? Are the calves too tight? This can lead to knee problems.

Just a few things to ask. There are lots of things that can be considered when it comes to knees. It's all connected of course in the end.
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Old 03-06-2008, 02:58 PM
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The plastic stacker steppers I know have been used by 0311.
They're very reliable. Usually I use four of them plus a 45 lb plate which puts me easily a few inches BELOW parallel. I've gone as much as 455 lbs + my own fatass of 250 lol.
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Old 03-06-2008, 04:22 PM
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It's funny how I picked just the exact weight to referr to in my example
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Old 03-06-2008, 09:59 PM
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Some good info there E once again

Marv, I absolutley love box squats, I am in no position to help you as much as eric can but I highly recommend them.I am considering using them exclusively for a while and building them up, should be a good way to add more lbs to my free squat.
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Old 03-07-2008, 08:36 PM
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Gday Guys,

Thanks Widdoe, Pity, 0311, Hopper and Eric for your input.

Okay Eric I will do step ups tomorrow instead of squats and maybe some RDL's. I will also add in pull throughs. Adding pull throughs will be preety full on though my sessions already take some time. Maybe I will swap to dynamic and PR days instead of volume day. I have been doing the dynamic warm ups and I try to squeeze in the static stretching after most sessions. I have been neglecting the quads abit and I will start doing some ankle rotations in my warm up. I will look up some IT band stretches also. Are those foam rollers any good? I will give those steppers ago when im ready for box squats 0311.

Thanks Again Eric.
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Old 03-08-2008, 11:04 AM
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Marv, don't just "add" to the volume you already have. I don't care what you are doing and whether it involves steady incremental loading or what it won't do you a darn bit of good to not make your joints a priority when they need to be. That doesn't really mean you have to give up anything as for as strength and size, necessarily, you just have to be willing to change and comprimise.

And it is very important of EVERYBODY to sometimes lay off this notion of sets, reps VOLUME VOLUME VOLUME. Embrace the notion of quality of quantity and you will be amazed at the results. I could go on and on about what I mean by that but we would be better off to just deal with the specifics.

If you list out your whole plan and how you plan to put in the other things I'm sure I can help you implement it. I'm sure others can to of course
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Old 03-08-2008, 01:27 PM
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Ok Im going to go and train now. I am going to do some step ups and pull throughs. I have never done either B4.
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Old 03-08-2008, 01:30 PM
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Have fun! Oh, and I misread your post and though your were adding step ups to squats...probalby because I shifted the adding pullthoughs onto the first sentence somehow. Sorry about that.

Foam rollers are great. I use a foam roller and I can't say enough good things about that. It is not a cure for any underlying pathologies but it works out the kinks and helps resolve tight spots and trigger points and can definitely help keep you healthy. You can use it for certain stretches an mobility work....it is cheap and worth every penny. I LOVE my foam roller

Keep up the good work and keep up the thinking, experimenting....

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Old 03-08-2008, 06:23 PM
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Sunday 9th March
Volume Day.

Step Ups 40kg 4x14, 50kg 1x10
Pull Throughs 100lbs 1x9,2x15
Bench PR wg 125kg 1x1
Rows 92.5kg 5x5
Grip Work 3x5

I used the safety squat bar for the step ups. I dont know what it weigh's. Tried one set with 60kg on the bar, it was to heavy and I really felt it in the knees for a few seconds. I loved the pull throughs, I used a rope handle. I might make some vids next time for You guys to look at.
Decided to go for a PR on bench It was slow, but I got it out.

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Old 03-08-2008, 06:44 PM
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Nice job on the bench PR Marv

Some very interesting reading in this journal ATM, I like the fact that you are attacking some "weak" spots in your lifts right now, should make you stronger in the long run, its also giving me alot to think about as far as my own training goes,I think I may need to incorporate some new movements (especially PC stuff) to get that squat up nice and high.

And yeah get a vid up of those pull thrus I need to see how to do em!!
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