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Old 08-27-2007, 03:42 PM
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So on the uni romanians just make sure to remember to do the weaker side first. I'm always forgetting to do that.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:48 PM
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i used to forget to do that too. but not today
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:53 PM
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Good. This is exactly why I have you doing these types of movement. To notice these bilateral differences and help iron them out. People have a tendency to think that it they just plug away that any discrepencies like that will just work itself out. But while that may be true for simple single joint movements like bicep curls it in not necessarily the case with the more complex movements. Of course, no one is going to have a huge difference and be able to do even regular romanians without noticing it. But with small differences compensatory patterns can take over which you can be unaware of and those can make imbalances worse and lead to injury or at least limit potential.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 08-28-2007, 10:08 AM
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Something your missing that may help you in the future. I have preached the need to be somewhat flexible and patient. One thing that would have helped you doing box squats for so long was to allow yourself to switch them out every so often for regular squats. Keeping youself familiar with it and so on and preventing that culture shock of swithching suddenly. Also you can alway hit a set of light squats as a backoff as long as it is really a backoff and not ball's out. Higher reps.

Something I've mentioned and witch I really believe to be the case is that practising and also learning a movement for the first time is really better done with higher reps. This cements the movement patterns quicker and better and gets you greased up. At any time when you get away from the main movements you can still use this concept to keep in practice. The body doesn't just deal in intensity and volume. It deals in patterns of recuritment which I shorthand as "movement patterns" as a catch all of all the different things going on. Even if you don't feel a set is "productive" in the traditional sense of progressive overload it is still productive in other ways.

In fact I count this as one of the drawbacks of the 3x5 Rippetoe thing for absolute beginners. It's a good set range in terms of using moderate volume but not a good range in terms of learning the lifts. Plus the fact that absolute beginners will react the same to whatever you give them.
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:40 AM
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i know.....:( i should've done squats like u instructed but i was too focussed on doing only box squats...damnit....next time i wont make this mistake. and yeah, im going to do 1-2 light sets on deadlift day next time (there's no change i can do any more squats after a heavy 4x6, sir)
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:48 AM
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NO, I was only talking about while you're focusing on something like box squats you can use light backoff sets of reg squats for "practice". Not now while you're doing the squats....

I think things tend to pendulum from one extreme to another and so we have this thing where we tell people, don't mess with it, don't do extra for the sake of it or just for more volume, etc. so on. But there are different types of extra....
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:56 AM
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oh shit. sorry E. fuck, i cant believe i misread that....i was watching this and thats what distracted me.. sorry Eric.

yeah thanks for letting me know what that. next time we rotate out squats and add in box squats, we'll do 1-2 light sets of squats after too. u know, when i was doing box squats, i thought id do regular squats for warm-ups atleast u know but then i never did :(

thanks and sorry for misreading. but u cant blame me complete (check link)
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Old 08-28-2007, 11:59 AM
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You don't have to necessarily do back off sets every time...and sometimes you can just completely replace the box squats for some appropriately heavy squats. Keep in mind that you can't rely on any one method to keep you squats healthy. And also keep in mind that some "catchup" is just part of the game if you train this way but for the most part you should be able to maintain squat form and confidence while you're going along.
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:04 PM
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oh ok. yeah my confidence was shattered during my warm-ups but after set 2 (work set that is) i felt better and thats why i think my form on set 4 was better than 1 (not in terms of depth because they were all deep but more in terms of mental comfort u know what i mean?)

patience is the key i guess
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Old 08-28-2007, 12:29 PM
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Absolutely, mental comfort can be key. In case anybody doesn't understand, btw, that is the purpose of introducing the heavy barbell walkouts in getting ready to test the squat...to get used to having that weight on your back so that it doesn't come as a shock when you go for the PR. That in itself can be psychologically as well as physiologcially daunting and cause people to miss a weight they should have otherwise nailed. This is not to mention the obvious nature of barbell walkouts as a stabibility exercise in itself which can be utilized by anyone.

In this case Anuj is just looking to test where he is at with squats to see if he is either maintaining well or getting better at them since his routine is more focused toward bringing up his deads. If he was more focused on squats then the deads would be maintained and the walkouts would be replaced by more productive squat work.
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