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Old 10-17-2007, 02:10 PM
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Points 1 though 4 are certainly correct. It's just that their is a difference between the first of the week and the rest of the weeks and also how you can progress on deads versus something like bench or press. One of the most important things is how volume is accumulated here. That doesn't mean there aren't other ways of accumulating the volume of course. Someone might be to progress in many different ways. But where you place the different workouts is very important.

It's not really about high reps or low reps it's about what comes at the beginning of the week versus later and what you can do on deads versus something like bench. Obviously ALL high reps wouldn't produce strenght gains consistently but of course all triples all the time won't work either. Keep in mind when I say high reps I mean moderately high. It is really starting to get on my nerves that people consider HIGH reps to be reps over 15, lol. We are talking about strength and muscle so HIGH reps are reps in the 8 to 12 range (well, maybe up to 15)

Anyway it's not the reps it's the volume to start with. Let's just make one simple statement regarding how this is set up. Start with the minumum amount of volume you can progress on.

Say for instance in my training I do ONE set of 5 to 6 heavy deads at the beginning of the week. Then later in the week I do three sets (if not more) of 8 to 10 on Romanian deads. The romanians are lighter but guess what takes longer to recover from? The Romanians. Let's just say thank god for the "weekend".

And I do not want to get into any nerdy arguments with anyone about CNS fatigue versus muscular fatigue. Nothing happens in a vacumn. We're assuming that everything is a near maximal effort at whatever rep range and in this case the romanians are close enough to deads and it's just the SHEAR volume of work that makes it more fatigueing. Thinking that the deads are more tiring is like saying moving your entertainment center is more tiring than moving all your stuff to another house. You entertainment center may be the heaviest (and ugliest) piece you own but that's still a lot less work than a hard day loading and unloading a U-haul.

So given that in this routine the "volume" is accumulated later in the week, staring out with 3 by 6 on deads is going to fuck up the whole thing.

I would recommend starting with the simplest most direct way of progressing with the lowest volume you can.

So on deads maybe something like:

Week 1: 1x5
Week 2: 1x5 (weight added)
Week 3: 1x5 (weight added)
Week 4: 1x8 (same weight)
Week 5: 1x8 (a little weight added)
Week 6: 2x6 (same weight)
Week 7: 1x5 (weight added)

so on and so forth..

Just a made up example. It would be unique to the individual. And of course it may not even work for everyone. This thing was for Anuj specifically and the intention was to do what worked until it didn't work and then do something else. We never got that far on deads though.

There are lots of other things people can do on deads. This was specifically for anuj. And I did want him to do a little more volume on deads because I simply wanted him to have practice at deads (quality practice), build up some functional and protective muscle mass, and basically get ready for a future of much heavier loads.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 10-17-2007, 02:21 PM
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thanks for explaining that so well, Eric.
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Old 10-17-2007, 02:41 PM
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I do want peope to understand that the basic ways of progressing can be applied by everyone but some of the specific practices are unique to Anuj and what he can do. I'm not one of those glory hogs who will tell your "my routines will work for everyone". Hell, I spend most of my time on this forum trying to help individuals overcome the shortcomings of whatever cookie-cutter they are doing...and it's a losing battle.
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Old 10-19-2007, 03:25 PM
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Fall '07 - Upper 2, Week 23

Overall Impression:
ok so the fever went away tuesday night. i probably have some residue fever and a few side effects like food not tasting right, etc which will go in 2-3 days. my strength levels are fine and i feel pretty good. thankfully. im happy the weekend has come
Military Press = 3 sets x 6 reps x 130 lbs, 1 set x 5 reps x 95 lbs
a new PR once again. Single Progression: added 1 rep to every set. Next week the goal is to nail 4x6x130.
Pull-ups = 6 + 4 + 4 + 4 + 4 = 22 reps
felt great!
Dips = 3 sets x 8 reps x BW
i was supposed to do dumbbell presses but all the benches and the 45's had been taken by people. yes, the gym was crowded. so i decided to do dips instead. i havent done these since my DC Training days. they felt ok but i have to comment on 2 things. im not sure if they're ok for my shoulders. (2) when i do these i feel my triceps hurting because they're being squooshed maybe right at the top. i wonder if this is normal for when u first start out doing dips?
Leaving Thoughts:
looking forward to the weekend

next week im going to ease back into lower body work. starting with deadlifts. slowly and steadily.
i wish everyone a smashing weekend
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Old 10-19-2007, 03:37 PM
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I feel that when I do dip shrugs or "tricep dips" on a bench. Get you arms forward more and you'll probably have less of that feeling. I just posted some dip guidelines in another training thread. Under IronWorkers dips and pullups question. Read that.

I dont think you should be doing dips really with your shoulder history, really. It's not that they're evil or anything it just may not be worth it
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Old 10-24-2007, 08:29 PM
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Fall '07 - Lower 1, Week 24

Overall Impression:
yeah baby!! deadlift day finally lol.....

ok so i skipped monday's workout because i was too lazy. yes, ive become lazy. HOWEVER, i made up for it because i did the lower 1 workout today instead and i also did cardio yesterday and on sunday. both days i did some GPP work and i ran 2 miles. you have no idea how difficult it is to run 2 miles straight (for me that is). and i ran the 2 miles AFTER the GRPP work lol.

so today was deadlift day. my first day doing deads in over a month. the workout was ok and went as planned. im just trying to wonder how im going to feel tomorrow. the thing with these injuries is that after the workout u think ur fine but then u wake up the next day and then u realize that u've re-injured urself. i hope to god that hasnt happened. i was damn conservative today so even if i do wake up in pain the pain will go in a short while. either way, it felt good to do deads and stuff.
Deadlifts = 2 sets x 7 reps x 135 lbs
these were easy as fuck. i could've done 20 reps straight with this. but, i made sure my form was spot on and i am trying very hard to be patient. it is a let down from doing 300+ but i have finally accepted that it is pointless for me to chase the golden ring of 315.....im just going to approach deads like im doing them for the first time in my life - which is exactly why i will be doing very basic low volume workouts on these for a while.
Bulgarian Squats = 2 sets x 6 reps x 20 lbs db's in each hand
i think i hurt my lower back a little bit when i reached down to grab the dumbbells on set 1. but, i learnt my lesson and i kept the dumbbells in my hands for set 2. i just hope its not a serious injury....it doesnt feel like it...right now that is.
Glute Ham Raises = 3 sets x 6 reps x BW
i got a fucking catch on my left ass-ham. fuck. it hurt. but i stretched it and now its fine lol.
Barbell Curls = 1 set x 3 reps x 90 lbs
so i decided to do some bicep work. and i used a bodybuilding pyramid scheme which i had used last around 2 years ago when i did Arnold Schwarzenegger's beginner 1 training program:
Set 1 = 15 reps x 50 lbs
Set 2 = 12 reps x 60 lbs
Set 3 = 10 reps x 70 lbs
Set 4 = 5 reps x 80 lbs
Set 5 = 3 reps x 90 lbs --->>> i called this the work set.
my forearms are fucking pumped lol....im very desperate to increase the size of my forearms. i want really massive forearms.
Leaving Thoughts:
diet wise ive been in good shape. im finally eating a lot of food.

supplement wise i have news. because ive noticed that my weightgainer is giving me a huge bloat, i have shifted to using simple whey protein for the time being. trueprotein's Hydrolyzed Whey Protein High Grade is what im using. lets see how it works. i mixed it with my powerade and i sipped it before, during and after my workout. im going to make this into a habit.

i just hope i dont wake up with a huge pain in my lower back tomorrow. maybe i should have done some back extensions. fuck.
anyways, i hope everyone is having a good week. only 2 more days before the weekend everyone

thanks for reading everyone!
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:18 PM
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Why would you do back extensions? What would that have done?
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:30 PM
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Why would you do back extensions? What would that have done?
i dont know. why did i say that without knowing what im talking about? :(

oh wait.....i remember thinking that perhaps if i had just hung on the back extension machine i would've stretched my lower back.

but i was too scared to do anything knowing u'd kick my ass if i did something stupid and fuck up again.

but, i have some good news...

i slept for 2 hours last night.

wait. thats the bad news.

oh yes, good news = my back is totally fine today. its a little sore but not at all in a bad way. im feeling totally comfortable and i feel soooo good u have no idea. im very happy. next time should i do 1x8x145, Eric?

i thought the unilateral's would hurt my back but my back is totally fine. i love this. i might go running tonight. just to see.

oh, and im glad i started deadlifting. it felt nice to lift that weight up. even if it was only 135 it felt good in my head

my only concern right now is the squat: but the squat workout is on monday so im going to chill till then

was my workout ok, Eric? i did everything we discussed me doing and i didnt do anything we didnt discuss.
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:40 PM
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Looks good to me. The idea of stretching it is fine although I don't know how well that would have worked. The thing with stretching is that you really need to have a way to control the stretch rather than being completely out of control as you are in the case of you body hanging down. If the stretch is too strong than you're muscles are going to try to resist it and that will just put strain on the injured area. Of course your muscle are always going to resist a stretch to some extent but the point it you have to be able to control it based on the level of discomfort. The key is gentle stretching with no pain in the case of injuries.

I know a lot of people like to do stuff "to get the blood flowing" with muscular injuries but the last time I checked blood supply isn't generally a problem in the muscles. If you have a joint injury it's a different story.

Don't let up your guard right now. When you pick up dumbells or whatever do it "correctly" . In the future when you are healthy and you train well then some little dumbell isn't likely to hurt you no matter how you pick it up but right now always be aware.

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Looks good to me. The idea of stretching it is fine although I don't know how well that would have worked. The thing with stretching is that you really need to have a way to control the stretch rather than being completely out of control as you are in the case of you body hanging down. If the stretch is too strong than you're muscles are going to try to resist it and that will just put strain on the injured area. Of course your muscle are always going to resist a stretch to some extent but the point it you have to be able to control it based on the level of discomfort. The key is gentle stretching with no pain in the case of injuries.
ok sir. i guess it was better that i didnt do the stretch

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I know a lot of people like to do stuff "to get the blood flowing" with muscular injuries but the last time I checked blood supply isn't generally a problem in the muscles. If you have a joint injury it's a different story.
lol.....people worry too much about "blood flowing". sometimes its even mistaken for a pump. thats when they do 3 warm up sets all to failure. and then they do their work sets

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Don't let up your guard right now. When you pick up dumbells or whatever do it "correctly" . In the future when you are healthy and you train well then some little dumbell isn't likely to hurt you no matter how you pick it up but right now always be aware.
yessir. i will be more than aware of this from now on.
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