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_Wolf_ · #**431** 08-25-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric3237

Anuj, it's pointless to take two scoops of weightgainer AND wms...first of all who wouldn't feel bloated with all that hitting their stomachs and second do you realize how much carbs you took in? WMS by itself, especially pre-workout is VERY strong. Too much will cause a crash. You could have had any number of things going their...too much in your stomach diverting blood away from you muslces, a sugar crash, etc. so on.

You should be using the wms with about a half to two thirds scoop of whey and plenty of water and that's it. Start with half a dose of wms and see how it affects you. Then go from there. That may be good to go but if not you may need some separate malto and dex to mix it with in order to tone it down. Try reading some of the massive pre/post workout thread to get some ideas as to amounts. I know you don't like to use sups but if you are going to then you'll have to break down and learn about them.

The weightgainer you have may be OK for pre but not that much and it must be very dilute. The problem is that you can't control the amounts of carbs. And it is probably just malto. Dex and malto together work better than on alone but you must be able to control the amounts.

ok Eric. i think i know what to do now. i dont have any whey per se. only weightgainer. i don wanna get whey coz the weightgainer tastes sooooooo much better

ok i just noticed, i have like 10 lbs of whey left. i might use it. but this is what im thinking:

pre workout: 1/4 scoops WMS + 1/2 scoop whey this is like 30 minutes pre workout. my meal prior to this will be 1.5 hour before my pre workout meal.

post workout: 1 scoops WMS and 30 minutes later ill have 2 scoops of weightgainer.

actually Eric, ive been having solid food after my workout these last 2 days. today it was 2 big ass beef sandwhiches. whats better? me having the WMS then the weightgainer 30 minutes later then the sandwhiches 45-1 hour later?

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On th 10X3 it really isn't supposed to be easy per se. It certainly shouldn't be shit difficult but not exactly a walk in the park. You may want to try that weight again though. If it starts out too heavy of course you know you won't progress very far with it. BUT, 10x3 in my experience is never going to be a very long thing. Basically the feeling seems to be that you get a little doubtful that you can finish out the sets but recovery kicks in and you do it anyway. I've found that half-way through I slow down and get a second wind to finish fairly strong. It's been a while though, but in general the high density makes up for the light weight causing a fairly challenging set. Which is to say no where near as tough as, for example, a 5x5 after a good progression.

oh ok. yeah i might keep this weight next time around, sir.

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Good luck and welcome back.

thanks E. this semester is gonna be pretty tough haha....

EricT · #**432** 08-25-2007, 12:40 PM

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pre workout: 1/4 scoops WMS + 1/2 scoop whey this is like 30 minutes pre workout. my meal prior to this will be 1.5 hour before my pre workout meal.

That would be better (remember plenty of water) but 30 minutes may be a little long. See the problem is that wms is really quick. Even with malto and dex it's pretty quick. If you set around too long you may crash before going into your workout. I recommend about 15 minutes at most. That way once you are hitting the weights it will help regulate the blood sugar. At least that is what I've found. As long as you haven't taken in too much carbohydrate that is. If you can have it mixed and consume it at the gym then do that. Keep in mind that wms is just starch and it will settle into a paste at the bottom so shake before drinking.

You work out on campus (right?) so probably you can drink it and get to the gym in a quicker time than 30 minutes.

Post workout it would still be good to have the protein immediately too. It's not big deal but the post need not look too different from the pre except for the amounts.

The solid food/sandwhich would be better/more optimal an hour later.

On the 10x3 it's hard for me to tell you exaclty what to do of course so all I can do is give you a vague idea what to expect. The first time certainly shouldn't be really hard.

_Wolf_ · #**433** 08-25-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric3237

That would be better (remember plenty of water) but 30 minutes may be a little long. See the problem is that wms is really quick. Even with malto and dex it's pretty quick. If you set around too long you may crash before going into your workout. I recommend about 15 minutes at most. That way once you are hitting the weights it will help regulate the blood sugar. At least that is what I've found. As long as you haven't taken in too much carbohydrate that is. If you can have it mixed and consume it at the gym then do that. Keep in mind that wms is just starch and it will settle into a paste at the bottom so shake before drinking.

You work out on campus (right?) so probably you can drink it and get to the gym in a quicker time than 30 minutes.

oh ok. i can have it 10 minutes before too then. my gym is a 10 minute walk. ill do that.

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Post workout it would still be good to have the protein immediately too. It's not big deal but the post need not look too different from the pre except for the amounts.

ok

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The solid food/sandwhich would be better/more optimal an hour later.

okie dokey

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On the 10x3 it's hard for me to tell you exaclty what to do of course so all I can do is give you a vague idea what to expect. The first time certainly shouldn't be really hard.

i hope so. i think i can do this for like 6-8 weeks hopefully.

EricT · #**434** 08-25-2007, 01:38 PM

Most of the time I am still sipping on my pre while I work out. Half of it all at once and the rest as I lift.

_Wolf_ · #**435** 08-25-2007, 01:52 PM

hmmmm..... i might do that too. i dont have a non-messy shaker i could use thats the problem :( but ill see....if i really need to, ill go to Walmart and pick up something good.

TALO · #**436** 08-25-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric3237

Most of the time I am still sipping on my pre while I work out. Half of it all at once and the rest as I lift.

I do the opposite. I take my pre 1/2-45mins before, than with about 20mins left in the workout I start taking my post...Then i eat real food when I get home..

EricT · #**437** 08-25-2007, 02:34 PM

Yeah, that's sounds fine too. It's just that I've had problems with that type of time lag between pre shake and workout. With wms it is bound to be worse. But of course what happens to me may not happen to everybody but I'd generally say that a half hour to 45 minutes is a long time to wait after ingesting such quick carbs.

Also of course I work out at home so what is convenient for me may not be doable for everyone.

TALO · #**438** 08-25-2007, 02:43 PM

I forgot to mention that its maltodextrin that Im taking in , not waxy maize. I found when I did take WM it needed to be alot closer to my workout than the MD.

EricT · #**439** 08-25-2007, 04:32 PM

No doubt! I had posted in that WMS thread about my general blood sugar fluctuations on WMS but I never did post the outcome of that. Basically I found when I cut down the amount it got a LITTLE better, and when I cut down the amount more and mixed wms with malto and dex it got much better. Then once I went off wms the problem went away. I don't think I am able to tolerate it well but that's ok since I've never really had any problems with my standard malto/dex mix.

Oh, btw, Anuj, something I forgot to mention. Once you get the dumbell press going and if everything feels ok you can start training those overhead shrugs more aggresively. More poundage, etc...if the weight you are using is fairly tough for you to move up and down you may need to widen your grip to get more mobility but at this point you can start moving it more into a mainstream thing. Obvioulsy use caution and best judgement.

Technically for you I'd say you should be able to hit 100 or 110 at least for around 6 to 8 reps or so. But I don't know how you current weight feels to you. Since it's been prehab related I know you are leaving a lot in the tank so why don't you ramp it up next time (progressive sets) going toward around 80 pounds and then after that see where you stand...

_Wolf_ · #**440** 08-27-2007, 03:35 PM

Fall '07 - Lower 2, Week 16

Overall Impression:

ive been eating a LOT of food. no, a shitlot. i fucking go to sleep at 2:00 am and wake up at 6 so hungry u have no idea......ive been doing this for the last 2 days: eat midnight meal of a chicken sandwhich, sleep at 2, wake up at 6 am hungry, eat another chicken sandwhich plus a weightgainer shake, go to bed till 11, wake up hungry, go get some lunch (chinese), sleep (i was awfully sleepy) wake up around 4, get some food (chicken quesadilla), do some work, eat a heavy dinner at 8. eat another meal at midnight, sleep, repeat cycle. pretty wierd

but whatever...im feeling much better today. i think im almost over my jetlag which is good...

Deep Squats = 4 sets x 5 reps x 225 lbs

shifting from 14 weeks of low box squatting to oly squatting (or "deep" squatting) is pretty difficult. 225 felt very easy on my back but getting the movement right was a tad bit difficult. im still not at my 100% so this wasnt so easy but the good news is that my last set was better than my first i think next week im going to try 225 for 4x6 before i increase the weight. im not too disappointed though. i had anticipated these minor set backs. all this plane travel does fuck up ur system sometime. i guess my chance to get fucked was now lol..but, im eating a lot of food and im resting well oustide of the gym so ill be back on my feet soon i cant say the weight felt too heavy because it didnt. the weight by itself didnt feel heavy at all. but the motion of doing deep squats felt kinda awkward at first (for example, my knee hurt a bit but then i figured out why - i was pulling my knees together but then i got that sorted out in the warm-ups so it didnt affect the work sets at all) and thats what made the weight so darn heavy. im sure in a short while ill be back to my old way of squatting without any worries.

Unilateral Romanian Deadlifts = 2 sets x 10 reps x 65 lbs

damn, Eric was right...my left leg is a lot weaker. but i think its become stronger because i didnt have to put it down (rest it on the floor) as many times when i did this. its not as strong as my right leg but i can see that its catching up. this is good.

Romanian Deadlifts = 3 sets x 5 reps x 135 lbs

i wanted to take this exercise easy so i didnt push myself too much. it was pretty light and smooth.

Reverse Hyperextensions = 2 sets x 10 reps x 25 lbs

i missed this machine when i was back home lol...(no homo)

Overhead Plate Side Bends = 2 sets x 8 reps x 10 lbs

nothing special to report.

Leaving Thoughts:

ill try and do some cardio tomorrow. im not so worried about my squats because i actually knew something like this would happen. but im sure in like 4-5 weeks ill be back in better action than before on these.

cheers and have a good week y'all

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