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Old 11-26-2007, 01:11 PM
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When you draw the shoulders back to pinch the scapula that could be interpreted as a kind of shrug, I guess. But I would like to see the shoulders and upper back have more mobility. I don't see anything that looks remotely like a shrug in that. I don't even see ENOUGH of something that looks a bit shruggy, if you catch my drift.

High pulls are an olympic derivative. Essentially the portion of the clean before the clean but without actually doing the clean. I do them all the time. They are a power movement and not comparable to what he is doing. Maybe a cross between an upright row and a "barbell row" but they are both called rows so that further begs the question.

As far as mixing if it is bicmechanically sound, healthy for the shouldlers and will help stengthen the back then why the hell not do whatever you want? Frankly I'm getting sick of the double standards when it comes to exercise selection. The one where you have 3 million choices for bench press, for instance, but only one on rows. This usually comes from an "authoritarian" stand point, imo, rather than an educated one. In other words, Big Dude X says so rather than "a bunch of qualified people, including coaches, say so.

I notice that people really like that Bruce Lee quote about using what works and throwing away the rest. But I don't think that most really understand it. It is precisely this kind of dualistic thinking he was trying to get away from. The idea that this one way is "better" than this one other way. I.E. there is no best way there is simply what has value to you the individual and that which doesn't. I think people misinterpret this as "looking for the best way" but it is exactly the opposite. It is considering all ways but having no one way of thinking. Taking just the aspects of as many different modes of thought as you can and determing for youself whether it is a keeper or a throwback.

But again I agree that for this I would like to see the angle be lower. But there is nothing wrong with such an angle as a variation. If you saw some of the stuff I did row wise you would definitely question the point. Yet everything I do has a point and I would say anyone is allowed to do whatever the hell they want if they think it has a valid point. And there is always a point to not always plugging away at the same basic movement for years on end.

He is rowing. Just like if you do an incline bench or a decline, or a board press you are still bench pressing. Why ever do a front squat? Or any other type of squat that has you using less weight than a back squat? Why ever do anything except one variation of everything? I do all sorts of rows at different angles. I don't do them to win row contests.

He also does face pulls. That is also basically a row. There is a huge point to that also although I guarantee that between barbell rows and face pulls people will be using much lighter weight with face pulls. And although I this instance I don't like the high body angle I see nothing wrong with someone doing that as a variation. When it comes to movements around the shouder complex variation is a very good thing. Doing the same row all the time can eventually lead to problems for many, me included.

Hell, I don't even do barbell rows anymore because it just got to be too aggravating to my lower back. I do more variety than ever and my back, shoulders are stronger and healthier than ever and all without the help of the "best" row (barbell row). The best is what works for you at any given time and what keeps you healthy and productive for the longest period.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

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Old 11-26-2007, 09:50 PM
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thanks for clearing that up, Eric. i will go lower next time.
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Fall '07 - Upper 2, Week 29

Overall Impression:
all i ate this weekend was steak, potatoes and grapes. my bodyweight has shot up from 175 to 183. how the heck does that happen? i bet most of it is fat.....i wonder why it doesnt appear that way to me though...
Military Press = 2 sets x 6 reps x 130 lbs, 1 set x 5 reps x 130 lbs, 1 set x 2 reps x 135 lbs
so 3x6x130 didnt go quite as well as planned. i needed help for the 6th rep on the last set so im not counting it. its moved up from last week which is a good thing. next week i will try for 3x6x130 and then 1x4x130 too. the 135 lbs set was just to see where i stand. im happy
Pull-ups = 10 sets x 4 reps in 10 minutes
this was ridiculously difficult! i am definitely going to repeat this set-rep scheme next week. for sure!
Military Press = 3 sets x 8 reps x 95 lbs
im tired of doing unilateral and bilateral dumbbell work. ive been doing that successfully for over 16 weeks now. its time to change things up. i did some more press work to improve the bottom part of the lift. it felt good. next week i will try 4x8x95.
Lat Pull Downs 2 sets x 10 reps x 150 lbs superset with Dumbbell Pull Overs 2 sets x 10 reps x 45 lbs
same as last week. i was really tired and i had to rush this.
Leaving Thoughts:
it was a cool workout. im happy
happy monday everyone. i hope y'all had a good thanksgiving!
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:24 AM
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nevermind ...
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:00 PM
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Yeah, you got the 10x4! I wasn't sure you would make it. That's probably the most pullups you've ever done in one day. That's got to be a good thing if you think about it especially since there is a progression built into it.

On the MP's next time I would suggest maybe doing the MRE work seated. You could also, do "one dumbell one side at a time" at a time" instead of the Uni work in the sense you've been doing it. Either standing or seated or even alternated (which I do a lot).
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:14 AM
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Fall '07 - Lower 1, Week 29

Overall Impression:
my diet has been pretty awful lol...im having way too many dark chocolates :-p
Deadlifts = 3 sets x 9 reps x 185 lbs, 1 set x 4 reps x 205 lbs
overall poundage was very high. more volume than last time.
Bulgarian Squats = 2 sets x 8 reps x 40 lbs
i hate this fucking exercise!
Glute Ham Raises = 2 sets x 8 reps
i was just bored. next time ill do more than 2 sets. i also yawned during this exercise. not cool. i must've looked retarded....
Ab Work
2 supersets:
1.) static holds on the floor with lat pull down sit-ups
2.) overhead plate side bends and flat pistons
for a few sets close to failure. it was fun.
Forearm Work
Triset:
1.) One Arm Barbell Curls
2.) Wrist Curls
3.) Reverse Wrist Curls
same as last time. i did 20 lbs for 3 sets of 10, 30 and 15 reps respectively. it was fun.
Leaving Thoughts:
it was a cool workout. i think perhaps from next time i can start working out in the 200s for deads. either way, i liked today's workout a lot.
i hope everyone is having a good week! thanks for reading, guys and gals.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:21 AM
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Yeah, you got the 10x4! I wasn't sure you would make it. That's probably the most pullups you've ever done in one day. That's got to be a good thing if you think about it especially since there is a progression built into it.
Eric, it was tough as hell. but i am sooo happy that i got it!

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On the MP's next time I would suggest maybe doing the MRE work seated. You could also, do "one dumbell one side at a time" at a time" instead of the Uni work in the sense you've been doing it. Either standing or seated or even alternated (which I do a lot).
ok, sir. good idea. i think im going to do the seated barbell press though. i think that will be fun. i find it funny that some people and press more seated than standing. isnt that weird?
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:35 AM
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If they can press more seated than it points to a lack of core strength, I would think.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:40 AM
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If they can press more seated than it points to a lack of core strength, I would think.
oh. they say their back hurts when they press standing. back as in lower back.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:15 PM
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That's probably sway back. Improper form and probably too heavy a weight. Most people will assume it's the exercise's fault instead of their own.

My lower back used to hurt during MP's too. Since I have very long term lower back issues I could have easily used that as an excuse but instead I assumed I was doing it wrong. Which of course was the case. Not to say that everything is worth doing when you do have lower back issues, but only that one should always question their form as a matter of course.
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