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^^ My thoughts excatly. All that shoulder work is asking for trouble.


IMO this could all be replaced by a 5x5 of Clean and Jerk, and be way more efficient. If he wants to make it an endurance thing then just decrease the time between sets.

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the thing is, my shoulders are fine barely sore at all, its only what 6 or 8 sets, not that bad i dont think. idk how the other 33 people that i was lifting with are doing though. i cant do anything about the horrible lifting procedure the coach is making us go through. but im deffinately sore today, and i did biceps, lats and back, which i almost never do, hence the dierportional weight there. but anyway, coach i think is just trying to get as many people lifting as he can, becasue we had 6-8 people actually lifting on our team before he was hired.

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age: 18
height: 5'9"
weight: 198bs
bench 1RM: 275
parallel squat 1RM: 385
deadlift 1RM: N/A
hang clean 1RM: N/A

i wish i could live on crack and protien shakes...

Yeah, we know you can't do anything about it, it just bothers us is all. As far as injuries it doesn't matter what your shoulders feel like now. That is not the proof of the pudding. MOST injuries, including shoulders, are not caused by doing the wrong thing once or twice, but are caused by the cumulative effect of doing it for extended periods. OR, even doing the right thing but simply too much of it.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

ill keep that in mind over the next few weeks if i start to get any shoulder pain. actually is it bad if your wrists hurt after doing like 15 pushups? if so, how can i fix this? i know i weight more then some of you guys but im sure at 220 i shouldn't get that. oh, another funny tidbit. next week were only doing one circut, and then were gunna do pyramids on bench, squat and clean. this only is prooving what you guys said earlier about him not knowing anything about lifting. ill be glad to start going to a real gym pretty quick.

I might only weigh 180lbs but I do pushups with a 45lb plate or more on my back...meaning I'm heavier than you when I do them . I don't usually get wrist pain unless I start to drift forward, then my hands bend back and it can be a bit painful after the set is done. I would keep an eye on your form and make sure that your hand and forearm are perpendicular through the movement. The other thing I used to do is pushups off your knuckles (from way back when I started martial arts) and I never get wrist pain from those, just knuckle pain haha.

With the pyramids, don't go to failure if you can. Try and leave a rep or two in the tank and then the pyramid wont be quite as retarded. I don't like those cleans as a pyramid, either someone's gonna get injured or it will turn into reverse grip bicep curls near the bottom of the pyramid. Its too bad your coach doesn't know much, and you really can't say anything to the coach...unless you wanna sit on the bench for a while lol

Real gym's are full of idiots too. They're usually just a bit bigger than the average person. Typically known for they're tight muscle-shirts and blood curdling warcries during intense bouts on the pec-deck.

ill try looking at my form and possibly changing it up if needed. if that still doesn't work ill go with the knuckle push ups, that should impress coach. atleast at a real gym the idiots there wont tell you what to do and if they do you can ignore them.

todays lift

cleans: 1x8 at 135 1x6 at 145 1x4 at 155 1x2 at 170

curls: 1x7 with 30's
strait arm raises: 1x8 with 20's
overhead tricep extentions: 1x6 with a 55
bent over rows: 1x4 at 155
dumbbell press:1x8 with 75's
incline: 1x5 at 135
lat pulldown: 1x6 at 150
step ups: 1x6 at 95
leg press: 1x12 at 315 (underestamited how heavy it would be)
jerk: 1x8 at 115
upright rows: 1x8 at 85
deadlift:1x6 at 245
standing calf raises:1x8 at 260 (plus 215 body)
leg extentions: 1x15 at 75 (trying to help knee out a little)
leg curls: 1x7 at 145
knuckle push-ups:1x10 with bodyweight (waaay better on the wrists)

after the team workout i did.

deadlift: 3x6 at 265
dumbell bench: 2x6 with 85's (80's are broken, PR)
bench press: 1x8 at 185

that seemed like alot more work then it really is on paper, then again the post lift lift was only 35 minutes.

today's mini lift, thank god it was the last day of drivers ed.

leg press: 3x5 at 495
bench press: 2x6 at 205

thats it, eric was right, my shoulder already doesn't feel right, kinda painful, not when doing bench though. what should i do to stop this?

I hope I didn't cause a psychosomatic reaction

Honestly I don't thing you need to do anything besides not doing that so there's not much I can tell you. There are just so many things impacting your shouders.

alright, if i could only not do one lift which one should i take out?