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Old 08-27-2008, 12:51 PM
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That sucks a$$.
Do you ever go for a deep tissue massage ? It may help out .
once. My woman has been so amazing in helping me out and babying me, so I was going to treat her to a spa day and I was going to go along and get a deep tissue. I know it's going to hurt but it'll feel so much better afterwards.
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Old 08-27-2008, 05:52 PM
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Oh ya , it hurts bad , but still so good . Enjoy it and after you get it down try and down about .5 gallons of water and take a day or two off the gym.
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Old 08-31-2008, 01:01 AM
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Impressive stuff goin on in here. Takes some serious balls to fight like that bro.Nice Benching too.
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Old 08-31-2008, 10:49 AM
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Dave, this may be kind of blue-skying it but you keep tweaking the back and I think I might sense a trend. You mentioned mobility and then you mention yoga sessions.

I don't know what the yoga sessions consist of but you know, all ROM, even for a mma fighter is not necessarily GOOD ROM. Something to keep in mind.

Most of the time when someone's back is feeling tight...they assume they need more range of motion in the back. Is this where you are trying to get the mobility? I'm sure you work on this a lot but what about hip mobility. This is really YOUR area I know, but one difference I've noticed between the really successful mma fighters..the really strong ones, especially, is that they are getting most of the ROM, their mobility from their hips. The back has some suppleness but it is not where the mobility really comes from.

I've definitely noticed that some of the young grapplers seem to use their lower back to replace hip mobility. Bad recipe. Now I know you aren't doing this but I'm just putting it out there that if your back is stiff and getting tweaked it could be due to lack of mobility in another place you need it.

You're training is brutal though, lol. Pain is to be expected I reckon! I'm not the one doing it so everything I say could be meaningless. I may also have missed some details so if so, my apologies.
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.
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Old 08-31-2008, 04:07 PM
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Dave, this may be kind of blue-skying it but you keep tweaking the back and I think I might sense a trend. You mentioned mobility and then you mention yoga sessions.

I don't know what the yoga sessions consist of but you know, all ROM, even for a mma fighter is not necessarily GOOD ROM. Something to keep in mind.

Most of the time when someone's back is feeling tight...they assume they need more range of motion in the back. Is this where you are trying to get the mobility? I'm sure you work on this a lot but what about hip mobility. This is really YOUR area I know, but one difference I've noticed between the really successful mma fighters..the really strong ones, especially, is that they are getting most of the ROM, their mobility from their hips. The back has some suppleness but it is not where the mobility really comes from.

I've definitely noticed that some of the young grapplers seem to use their lower back to replace hip mobility. Bad recipe. Now I know you aren't doing this but I'm just putting it out there that if your back is stiff and getting tweaked it could be due to lack of mobility in another place you need it.

You're training is brutal though, lol. Pain is to be expected I reckon! I'm not the one doing it so everything I say could be meaningless. I may also have missed some details so if so, my apologies.
always love when you stop by.

I was reading something about what you just said a while ago and now that you bring it up, it does ring a bell. My back and Hips are both very tight and I know my hips are tighter than my back. In doing more yoga I will mention this to the teacher and hopefully get them to do more hip stretches to help me out. I'm not so much worried about the ROM of my back, I have good back flexibility, I mostly just try to relieve the tension in my back from it being tight, I don't know if I'm saying this right.

Yes you are right, lots of mma fighters that are good have great hip strength along with mobility, BJ Penn is a perfect example.

As for my on going back problem, I feel that it is a combination of a lot of things, most of which stem from me not being careful and sprinting before crawling. I have to give myself a little more time to heal and not get so excited and do stupid stuff when I practice or lift in the gym. This along with tight hips and back are what's keeping me from getting back in the full swing. I just need to be more patients with myself and start back into things slowly, even though I go crazy not being able to perform at my best.
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Old 08-31-2008, 04:08 PM
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Impressive stuff goin on in here. Takes some serious balls to fight like that bro.Nice Benching too.
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Old 09-01-2008, 10:24 AM
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Gotcha, Dave. And I know that you have a good sense of what is going on with your body. Of course it makes sense to me that you do need to maintain a certain "suppleness" in your back but you do not want to give up stability. If the hips are tight relative to the lower back then the back takes over range of motion resulting in a lack of stability in the lower back, hence, the entire core, and hence less than optimal strenght and power. I know that it is a fine balance and tradeoff. Definitely something to think about though.

I've had some pretty bad back problems that I've been able to improve greatly and one thing I can say is that for a long time I thought of my back being "tight" because it "felt" tight. What I figured out is that the tight feeling had more to do with neural response becasue of my back having to take over range of motion in a loaded environment. My back was "tightening up" but that didn't mean the problem was in the back. So as I really started to focus on hip mobiltiy, ankle mobility, upper back mobiltiy and core stability my back problems really started melting away.

Of course you can rightly say that I'm not doing MMA . So take everything with a grain of salt. But I will say that all those very dynamic things, and odd implement things, olympic lifts, etc...that used to give me such problems are becoming more and more a walk in the park.

I think a lot of people believe in this myth about the lower back "locking up" if you don't stretch the hell out of it. But everything, when it comes down to it, is about "mobility" I.E. not how much your muscles can elongate or go past a set tension point but about how much dynamic range of motion you have...i.e. useful range of motion where strength and control are on par. I could be wrong, but my sense it that everytime you do grappling and things like that your lower back is getting a mobility workout. My honest opinion is to focus on hip, anke, and thoracis mobility.

And in case I don't say it enough...great stuff!
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Old 09-01-2008, 01:49 PM
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I've had some pretty bad back problems that I've been able to improve greatly and one thing I can say is that for a long time I thought of my back being "tight" because it "felt" tight. What I figured out is that the tight feeling had more to do with neural response becasue of my back having to take over range of motion in a loaded environment. My back was "tightening up" but that didn't mean the problem was in the back. So as I really started to focus on hip mobiltiy, ankle mobility, upper back mobiltiy and core stability my back problems really started melting away.
I do feel tight but I know it's my back that's tight because when I get my woman to rub Tiger Balm on my back she's surprised at all the knots in my back. She's been really helping getting them out. I feel great afterwards.

This also makes me think about my diet and if I'm getting a good balance. I also find that I haven't been drinking enough water and drinking more coffee, end of fiscal year is soon and I have a new boss. So I'll also be monitoring this closely and making sure I fix this if this is a problem.

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Of course you can rightly say that I'm not doing MMA . So take everything with a grain of salt. But I will say that all those very dynamic things, and odd implement things, olympic lifts, etc...that used to give me such problems are becoming more and more a walk in the park.

I think a lot of people believe in this myth about the lower back "locking up" if you don't stretch the hell out of it. But everything, when it comes down to it, is about "mobility" I.E. not how much your muscles can elongate or go past a set tension point but about how much dynamic range of motion you have...i.e. useful range of motion where strength and control are on par. I could be wrong, but my sense it that everytime you do grappling and things like that your lower back is getting a mobility workout. My honest opinion is to focus on hip, anke, and thoracis mobility.

And in case I don't say it enough...great stuff!
I do find that after warming up grappling I feel better. But then again that has been my down fall, thinking I'm all better towards the end of class and pulling a dumb stunt in class that my body isn't ready to do yet.


I have a private MMA lesson tomorrow at 8 AM, a birthday gift from my coach. I'll let you guys know how I do and if I'm going to be gimpy.
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Old 09-04-2008, 06:02 AM
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Well I did some BJJ on Tuesday and back was ok but very sore. The past two days I've been doing yoga stretches and starting to use a foam roller. I got to say that little thing does wonders. It really works the knots out. I need to get one of my own. As for the private MMA lesson I was suppose to have, well my coach forgot and emailed me later and said that he was going to give me 2 private lessons. I'm happy with that. I guess things happen for a reason. I'll lift a little on Friday but nothing much. Probably chest and Plyometrics.
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Monday's Workout


BB Bench: 5x5 @ 185, 195, 205, 215, 225
DB Overhead lunges: 3x5 @ 45
DB Curls: 3x5 @ 45
DB Lateral Raises: 3x5 35


Abs:
Crunches 4x20
KB pass in-between legs 3x10 at 8kg
Side to side Medicine ball crunches 3x10 @ 12lbs.
Leg lifts 3x10
Half Turkish get-ups 3x6 (left then right) @ 16kg.

PM training:
MMA 1 hour
BJJ 40 mins


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Back is feeling good and I ended both workouts with a lot of Foam rolling to really get into the muscles and work out the tight spots. It felt real good after BJJ. Speaking of which I finally got a chance to try out the MMA class they offer at my school and it was killer. BUT the first thing we worked on was clinching and pummeling, which killed me since I worked shoulders pretty good. Slept like a baby at the end of the night. I'm trying to build up my work load slowly so I don't burn out or hurt myself again. I'm also going to start strength training, like I was doing before (5x5) starting on wed. but start way lower than I can do just to get myself back into the swing.

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