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Old 09-17-2007, 01:11 PM
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If you skip a workout or even an exercise, you'll lose 0.75 lbs of mass a pop! Strength you're looking at about a good 7.15 lbs.

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Old 09-17-2007, 01:22 PM
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Wow. Like across the board? That would mean no one could ever make progress with one session a week. But some people can make progress that way. Maybe not so efficient progress and for a certain period of time.

Now if you skipped the volume day you'd be very likely to lose some strength!

I don't think it's a good idea to completely skip the squats on the PR day. But I think how much strength, if any, you lose really depends on the individual and how advanced they are. Basically how heavy you lift.

I skipped whole PR days due to illness or whatever and basically just ended up with a lift that simply made me repeat the same weight on volume day, but no actual regression. Unless you think not loading the bar is acually losing strength. Which I guess could be a valid argument since you could say that you made gains but didn't keep them. But technically if you don't regress backwards you haven't lost any strenth for the WEEK, you have just failed to advance. What will happen for any one person can't really be predicted. In general though, it would be better to do something to maintain strength at least. On this setup what will generally happen, if anything happens is either you will have a really sluggish day next volume day, but still load the bar, or you will end up repeating the weight from last volume day.

The PR day is supposed to have you cementing the gains potentiated by the volume day. To say that you will drop a bunch of strength by not doing it is, I think, over-emphasizing it a little. You certainly shouldn't be skipping it a bunch and if someone didn't feel good about lifting really heavy that day they could maintain in other ways like I described.

*Edit* Very funny, D. Now, I feel stupid ya bastard. .75 degrees stupider
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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

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Old 09-18-2007, 04:15 AM
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Lol, I would've hated to see what you'd have written if I said, "After 40 minutes in the gym, your body's cortisol clock begins to kick in, and you start losing .3 lbs of mass every 90 seconds thereafter."
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Old 09-18-2007, 09:21 AM
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18/9/07 - light day:

sumo dl:
58x5x2
68x3
78x2
88x5x1 - surprisingly not that easy, but I guess it's ok

press:
barx5x2
23x5
28x3
32x2
37.5x5x3 ok

front squat (instead of box squat, because my lower back was fatigued):
barx5x2
38x5
48x5x2
really easy, just to get full ROM

maybe on thursday if I feel good I'll go for a 5 PR on box squat, but really - only if my back feels great. right now it feels much better then 2 days ago
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Old 09-18-2007, 10:03 AM
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You don't have to rub it in, D

I really do think you should do reg squats on PR day, red.
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Old 09-18-2007, 11:01 AM
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great, so something like this maybe?

week 1:
reg squat - 90% from my estimated 5x1 max @ squat

week 2:
reg squat - 96% from my estimated 5x1 max @ squat

week 3:
reg squat - 102% from my estimated 5x1 max @ squat



what do you think about the scheme? (sentinel don't get angry about the percentages)
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Old 09-18-2007, 11:38 AM
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Well sure, you can try that. I would recommend doing a back off or two, after those. It will help you.
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Old 09-18-2007, 11:48 AM
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Great, I'll do just that, and I'll make sure this day won't become too intense so it won't bother my recovery for sundays.

Thank's alot Eric!
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Old 09-18-2007, 11:50 AM
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It won't be too intense. As long as you feel comfortable and in the groove of sqatting then go for it!
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Old 09-20-2007, 03:07 AM
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20/9/07 - intensity day:

squat (regular, not box):
barx5x2
40x3
60x2
74x1
88x5x1
70x8x1
- PR. felt pretty good. last one wasn't fast, but that's ok next week 93, then I think 98. I'd like to mention though, that because I'm mixing reg squats with box squat, i have to think about the technique and concentrate a lot before the lift (to remember the cues and all of that).

Did one back off set. prior to workout I felt like I'm going to get sick today, so I decided to do just 1 set, maybe next week I'll do 2.

bench:
barx5x2
30x5
45x3
60x2
74.5x5x1 -PR. I was very happy about it! 1.5 kg increase in PR

pull ups:
10,8,8 -> TL: 26. last time was 25.

I'm doing things slowly and gradually, it feels much better then going 100% and just giving everything I have.
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