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Old 05-28-2005, 04:31 PM
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Hi. Any thoughts about Trac for my pre-workout supplement?
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Well, I don't know how they can still sell it with a straight face. It's a liquified creatine, and herein lies the problem. Creatine is NOT stable in liquid. It turns into creatinine, which is about as effective as using chalk to get huge. Stay away from all liquid creatine because it's absolutely useless. If you don't believe me, I'll list a bunch of studies if you would like... :(
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What should I use, then?
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There's a thousand different blends, and most of them work because of one underlining factor...They all have creatine mono as the main ingredient. You're better off getting some regular creatine mono. It will yield results just as good as any "special" blend does. Mix it in grape juice and you're good to go. Go with a 5 day (20 gram) loading phase. That would mean 5 grams spread out four times a day. I used both Prolab and Optimum Nutrition's brands and liked it. I now use CEE and really like that as well....
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What else besides grape juice (I'm not particularly fond of it )?
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And who makes CEE?
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What else besides grape juice (I'm not particularly fond of it )?
Then how's bout apple juice? Anything with a copious amount of dextrose. Like TAURUS said, dextrose is the best transporter.
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which do you think is better? CEE or mono? what's the difference?
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I know you're just being difficult, but I'll start my quest right now...Be back in a half hour!
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The first 4 websites are neutral, not selling anything. The actual studies aren't made by a medical journal until the end. But, with all this listed, would you want to spend money on it?? :eek: :cool:

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/cr...rum-powder.htm

http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/hagy2.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi5.htm

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?ingredients_id=1

Science shows that creatine is unstable in liquid form, meaning that serum or liquid delivery systems are currently not supported by scientific literature. The creatine rapidly degrades to creatinine, which is not useable by the body. There is very little support for the notion that creatine in any type of mixture, including an effervescent mixture, is absorbed more efficiently by the body. A company known as Albion Laboratories, Inc. claims to have found an effective delivery mechanism by chelating creatine to magnesium (a chelate is an organic compound that is typically absorbed more readily by the body than individual elements).

WHAT FORM OF CREATINE IS BEST?
Of all the Creatine salts available, Creatine Monohydrate offers the most bang for the buck. There are several other Creatine salts that are deservingly gaining popularity but for the money Creatine Monohydrate is still on top. Be very skeptical of liquid Creatine. Creatine in liquid has been proven unstable and there are pending law suits against the largest manufacturer of these products for misleading claims and comparisons to Creatine Monohydrate powder.


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