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Old 04-19-2008, 02:00 PM
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Some blog posts from Bryan Chung on BA....

http://evidencebasedfitness.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-06-13T20%3A34%3A00-06%3A00&max-results=7

There are more earlier ones I think, as well.
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I'm impressed w/ this stuff. It's a relatively new supplement. The effects are similiar to creatine in that my strength endurance has really shot up. Takes a little while to kick in, and the slight itch you get just under the skin takes a little getting used to.

It's not a total "must have" to rank up there with fish oil, ect. But if you're supplementing creatine, there's only a BIG upside to stacking the two.. And since it's so cheap to buy, you can't go wrong IMO.

There's been a lot of discussions about dosing protocol. So far the most results across the board have come from taking only 1 gram spread out four times a day on an empty stomach. On training days, start with 4 grams preworkout, and over time build yourself up to a max of 5-6 grams. It depends on what you can tolerate. I've experienced an itching sensation under the skin with 5 grams, but it's nothing to write home about. Like Eric sais, it's called parathesia, and it's detailed in the next post about halfway down.

Additionally, the effects take a while to "kick in". I noticed the increase in endurance after a few weeks. The longer you take it, the better.

I've researched this thing to death when I got my bulk powder from trueprotein a few months ago. This article is the best one that I've found that really goes in depth. Everyone should come away with a good knowledge base of WHY they are purchasing this CHEAP product lol..

I'm NOT putting this into a quote since it's easier to read this way!

Beta-Alanine: Science Meets Real World Results

By Sebastian Balcombe, BSE, Ash Batheja, MPT, CSCS, and Anssi Manninen, MHS

With literally hundreds of different supplements available and so many that are based on bogus claims and ridiculous hype, it’s a challenge to find even one that delivers results. If you’ve rummaged through the garbage of the supplement scrap heap, you know how difficult it is to find solid science or real-world proof.

Beta-alanine is an exception. This supplement actually lives up to its claims beta-alanine efficacy is backed by major university, peer-reviewed studies performed on humans, not the typical cell or rat studies upon which many supplement manufacturers generally base claims. The science behind beta-alanine makes sense and it works. In reading this article, you will understand how beta-alanine works. You will also learn how to maximize its use and how it can help you safely work out much harder and longer. Used properly, beta-alanine can take your training and results to new levels, helping you set personal records and add lean mass.

Below is a list of the benefits of beta-alanine. Next, you will find the supporting details that set beta-alanine apart from the many other ineffective supplements that rely on clever marketing jargon and pseudoscience to confuse you.

Benefits of Beta-Alanine as supported by Scientific Studies
Boosts explosive muscular strength and power output
Increases lean muscle mass
Boosts muscular anaerobic endurance
Increases aerobic endurance
Increases exercise capacity so you can train harder and longer
History of Beta-Alanine

Although only recently brought to the forefront, beta-alanine was discovered over 100 years ago. Also known as 3-aminopropanoic acid, it is a non-essential amino acid and is the only naturally occurring beta-amino acid. Not to be confused with alanine, beta- alanine is classified as a non-proteinogenic amino acid as it is not used in the building of proteins.

The greatest natural dietary sources of beta-alanine are believed to be obtained through ingesting the beta-alanine containing dipeptides: carnosine, anserine and balenine, rather than directly ingesting beta-alanine. These dipeptides are commonly found in protein rich foods such as chicken, beef, pork and fish. However, obtaining beta-alanine through these dipeptides is not the only way, as our bodies can synthesize it in the liver from the catabolism of pyrimidine nucleotides which are broken down into uracil and thymine and then metabolized into beta-alanine and B-aminoisobutyrate. Of course, it can also be ingested through direct supplementation which is the focus of this article.

Recently, researchers began studying beta-alanine and examining its effects on exercise performance and lean body mass. We owe a great deal of credit and respect to the scientists who are in the trenches doing the work and publishing the research on beta-alanine. If it wasn’t for them, great supplements like beta-alanine and creatine might never have seen the light of day. Their ongoing research has revealed how to properly use these compounds and how to safely and effectively maximize their benefits.

One of the key scientists pioneering the performance research on beta-alanine is Dr. Roger Harris. His name may or may not sound familiar, but it should, as he is the same man that brought creatine to the bodybuilding world with his groundbreaking study in 1992. It looks like the good doctor has found another juggernaut of a supplement in beta-alanine. However, he is not alone. In the last two years, highly respected research scientist Dr.Jeffrey Stout has been in a frenzy publishing and compiling research on beta-alanine and doesn’t look to be slowing down any time soon. Other notable researchers who have been publishing research on beta-alanine include Dr. Hill, Dr. Kim and Dr. Tallon.

How Does Beta-Alanine Work?

The support of high caliber researchers speaks volumes about the efficacy of beta-alanine and the science itself is even more impressive. Much of beta-alanine’s effects are realized by boosting the synthesis of carnosine, a dipeptide (two amino acids) intracellular (inside the cell) buffer. To understand how beta-alanine works, you must first understand its connection to carnosine. It is by boosting carnosine levels that beta-alanine exerts its performance benefits.

History and Background of Carnosine

The Russian scientist Gulewitsch was the first to identify carnosine in 1900. Eleven years later, he would discover and identify its constituent amino acids, beta-alanine and histidine. Seven years later, Barger and Tutin and Baumann and Ingvaldsen confirmed Gulewitsch’s findings. However, it wasn’t until 1938 that the first research on carnosine and its effects on muscle buffering were published.

Carnosine is found in both type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers, though in significantly higher concentrations in type 2 fibers (the fibers we primarily use in high intensity strength workouts and which are most responsive to growth). Before we discuss how carnosine works, you must first have a general understanding of what is physiologically occurring during exercise. Specifically, what is negatively affecting muscular pH, making us weaker and causing fatigue?

Hydrogen Ions are Released During Exercise, Causing Performance to Plummet

When we exercise, especially when it’s high intensity exercise, our bodies accumulate a large amount of hydrogen ions (H+), causing our muscles’ pH to drop (become more acidic). This process is occurring whether you feel a burn or not.

The breakdown of ATP and the subsequent rise in H+ concentrations occur in all of our energy systems but H+ buildup is most prevalent in an energy system called glycolysis, which also produces lactic acid. At physiological pH, lactic acid dissociates H+ and is the primary source of released H+ ions during exercise, causing pH to drop. It is the released H+ from lactic acid that causes muscular performance problems, not the leftover lactate ions as many incorrectly believe. While lactic acid is the primary source of released H+, it is not the only source. H+ ions are also being released at a rapid rate when you break down the high energy compound ATP during exercise. With the presence of many sources during energy production releasing H+, pH quickly drops as does muscular performance, slowing progress and lean muscle gains.

How Does Carnosine Work?

There are a handful of ways carnosine is thought to impact performance but its most studied function, and the focus of this article, is its role as an intracellular buffer. Carnosine helps stabilize muscular pH by soaking up hydrogen ions (H+) that are released at an accelerated rate during exercise.

Our bodies work to keep our pH in balance by utilizing various buffering systems. Buffers largely work by soaking up H+ to maintain optimal pH balance, which we need to function most effectively. As mentioned above, our muscles function best in a specific pH range. When pH drops below that range, so does muscular performance. By helping to keep us in a more optimal pH range, our muscles can continue to contract forcibly for a longer time.

There are a handful of buffering systems that work in our bodies. Some maintain pH in extra cellular fluids (ECF) outside of the cell, while others perform their duties in intracellular fluids (ICF) inside the cell and some perform in both. Our focus in this article is on exercise performance and, as mentioned above, the primary source of H+ released during exercise is from lactic acid and ATP breakdown. Take a guess where this breakdown and release of H+ is occurring? If you guessed inside our muscles or intracellular, you would be correct. As a result, the first line of defense in absorbing the H+ is going to be the cell from intracellular buffers such as carnosine, not from extra cellular buffers.

Aside from carnosine being just where we need it, buffering H+ inside our cells, it has additional, unique attributes that make it really shine. Carnosine is unique; in that, other natural buffering systems our bodies use are also used in many other cellular reactions aside from buffering, watering down much of their buffering abilities. However, what makes carnosine really exciting, is that by supplementing with extra beta-alanine, we can specifically and dramatically increase carnosine levels. How much, you ask?

Researchers have shown that when supplementing with beta-alanine for just 4 weeks, we can increase our carnosine concentration by 42-65%. Longer beta-alanine studies going up to 10-12 weeks, show carnosine concentrations increased up to 80%. This is a tremendous increase in an already powerful intracellular buffer. It is this large increase in buffering capacity within our muscles that is largely responsible for the strength, lean body mass, power and muscular endurance gains that researchers are seeing from beta-alanine studies.

Frequently Asked Questions on Beta-Alanine and Carnosine
Is beta-alanine safe?


While this is not a frequently asked question, it should be. We understand many people care most about gaining muscle, looking great and performing at their best but safety should not be overlooked. We believe it should actually be the first question asked when considering a new supplement, even before you question efficacy.

The answer to the safety question is a resounding yes. Studies, going up to 12 weeks of continued beta-alanine use, have looked at a large array of blood biochemical, hematological and hormonal markers and no negative changes have occurred whatsoever. While it is impossible to say beta-alanine is one hundred percent safe until longer term studies are complete, we do know that up to 12 weeks of continued beta-alanine supplementation is indeed safe.

Why not just take Carnosine instead of Beta-Alanine?

When you ingest carnosine intact, most of it is broken down in the gastrointestinal (GI) tract into its constituent amino acids, beta-alanine and histidine. Some intact carnosine does escape the GI tract freely but even that amount is quickly broken down in our blood by the enzyme carnosinase. In a very short time, all the carnosine you just ingested is either eliminated or broken down into beta-alanine and histidine. These two amino acids are then taken into the muscle, where they are converted back into carnosine with the help of the enzyme carnosine synthetase.

Unfortunately, only about 40% of the carnosine you take actually contains beta-alanine, making it an inefficient source at best. You are better off, from both efficiency and a financial standpoint, taking beta-alanine directly. You would have to take substantially more carnosine just to approach the increased concentrations of carnosine achieved by taking the scientifically recommended dose of beta-alanine.Clearly, taking beta-alanine is the superior solution to increasing carnosine levels.

How do we know Beta-Alanine is actually increasing carnosine levels?

Researchers have proven it by actually taking muscle biopsies (using a hollow needle to remove a small sample of muscle tissue) prior to the study and at various time points throughout the study. What they found is that beta-alanine does, in fact, effectively and significantly increase carnosine concentrations in the range of 42-80%, depending on the dosing and duration of the study.

Shouldn’t I take extra histidine along with Beta-Alanine since histidine is a component of carnosine?

Probably no. Histidine is already present in high concentrations in muscle, while beta-alanine is only present only in small amounts. Researchers have determined that it is beta-alanine that drives carnosine synthesis, not histidine. Since this has been proven repeatedly in research, there is no need to supplement with extra histidine to increase carnosine levels. There are potentially some select populations like vegans, vegetarians or the elderly that may not get enough histidine in their diets and are thus deficient, which may compromise optimal carnosine levels. But, we still don’t recommend taking just extra histidine with beta-alanine. Instead, we recommend these groups and simply bump up their total protein intake which will in turn solve their possible histidine deficiency. For the majority of healthy people, only beta-alanine is needed as histidine deficiency is rare and no extra supplementation is needed to increase carnosine concentrations.

At what point during my workout set will extra carnosine concentrations exert their strongest effects?

Boosting carnosine levels with beta-alanine is effective at all points during your set, whether you’re lifting heavy or doing endurance work. Your body uses three energy systems to perform work: the ATP-PC system, which is primarily used during heavy lifting and for sets up into the 5-6 rep range; the glycolytic system, which is predominantly used roughly within the 7-15 rep range and up; and the oxidative/fat system, which is used primarily in endurance training. Our energy systems are utilized simultaneously; however, depending on the level of intensity or duration of exercise and fitness levels of the individual, certain energy systems will become more dominant in producing energy needed for that activity. Anybody who trains with weights will primarily use the first two systems and, in both cases, the build-up of hydrogen ions will contribute to fatigue in both systems, especially glycolysis.

This is where the supplement creatine falls a little short. It is mostly effective in the ATP-PC system, which relies on stored ATP and re-synthesis using phosphocreatine (PC) for intense, high-energy contractions. Taking creatine will help your explosive strength but it won’t help you much in the 7-15 rep range. As anyone trying to build bigger muscles knows, you must train in both heavy and moderate (7-15 reps) ranges to maximize muscle mass gains. Beta-alanine, by increasing carnosine concentrations, can buffer/fight the H+ build-up that occurs in both these ranges, allowing you to maintain forceful contractions for longer periods of time.

Decreasing cellular fatigue is an additional strength of beta-alanine. A recent study demonstrates that beta-alanine outperformed creatine in decreasing cellular fatigue, giving it yet another advantage over what has been considered the most effective sport supplement of the last decade. With beta-alanine yielding impressive results in university performance studies, creatine’s days at the top may be numbered.

Does beta-alanine replace creatine?

Beta-alanine does not replace creatine. As shown above, they work differently and creatine is still effective for maximizing strength and power. If anything, they should be taken together as the ultimate one-two punch.

How much beta-alanine is needed to cause performance increases?

Research has shown that you can take an amount between 3.2 grams and 6.4 grams per day to significantly boost carnosine levels and improve performance. The most recent research, now using 4-5 grams a day, is showing comparable carnosine concentration and performance improvements to those using 6.4g daily.

Who can benefit from beta-alanine?

Individuals participating in weight training looking to gain lean body mass and increase strength.

Any individual involved in athletic activities where strength, power and muscular endurance are needed.

Active individuals who have reached a training plateau and are looking for a supplement to take them to the next level
How long will it take to start noticing benefits?

Performance benefits typically occur in as little as two weeks, although some individuals will notice benefits within one week. As carnosine levels increase, the benefits will follow. The most dramatic results are generally experienced within the 3-4 week range but they don’t stop there. Recent research is now showing carnosine levels continue to increase for a minimum of 12 weeks which is why we recommend staying on beta-alanine for at least three months to optimize your carnosine levels.

Immediate benefits: Many users experience intense vasodilation/pumps from the very first dose of beta-alanine. This experience occurs because beta-alanine increases carnosine and carnosine is a powerful precursor in generating nitric oxide synthase (a group of enzymes necessary for making the powerful vasodilator nitric oxide).

Are there any methods that may increase beta-alanine’s ability to increase carnosine levels?

Yes. A recent study showed that a group of subjects taking Beta-Alanine with carbohydrates increased performance gains in half the time of the group taking an equal amount of beta-alanine without carbohydrates. Carbohydrates spike insulin and one of insulin’s effects is to increase amino acid (such as beta-alanine) transport into our cells.

While not research supported as of yet, taking Beta-Alanine pre-workout and post-workout may increase the uptake of Beta-Alanine into our muscles. Amino acid nutrient timing studies have clearly shown when amino acids are ingested Pre-Workout and Post-Workout, their uptake into our muscle is increased. The improved uptake is largely due to increased blood flow during exercise.

What is the prickling I feel when I first take Beta-Alanine?

The prickling - called parathesia - is caused by beta-alanine binding to nerve receptors, activating them and causing them to discharge/fire. Many of these nerves are below the skin, giving a prickling/pins-and-needles sensation. This sensation begins approximately 15-20 minutes after ingesting beta-alanine and usually continues for 1-1.5 hours. The intensity varies depending on dosing, individual sensitivity and potentially from activators of Ca2+ channels, such as caffeine. This sensation, though generally enjoyed, often subsides over a few weeks of continued use. Carbohydrates/food may also blunt the prickling effect from beta-alanine.

If I don’t feel the prickling does that mean beta alanine isn’t working on me?

The prickling sensation does not occur at all in some individuals, even when taking 4-6 grams of beta-alanine at one time. Do not worry if you are in this group. The prickling is NOT a sign that beta-alanine is working or being absorbed by your muscles and converted to carnosine. If you are feeling nothing, you need not be concerned as it is still increasing your carnosine stores as research has repeatedly shown.

A good example of this phenomenon is when combining carbohydrates with beta-alanine. Not only do carbohydrates blunt much of the prickling sensations, they also increase beta-alanine's performance gains faster than beta-alanine without carbohydrates.

Another good example is comparing studies that measure carnosine concentrations using multiple small 800 mg doses of beta-alanine vs. studies using multiple doses of 1.6 g of beta-alanine. The total daily amount of beta-alanine ingested is similar and the duration of the studies using both dosage strategies is matched up as well. 800 mg is low enough to cause little to no prickling, based off feedback from both research and anecdotal, where as 1.6 g can cause quite a lot.The outcome of both studies showed carnosine concentrations were very similar.

Is taking taurine at the same time as beta-alanine going to stop beta-alanine from boosting carnosine and performance levels?

While there is certainly potential for problems when taking these two together (they share the same transporter into tissues), it hasn’t yet been supported in the research to any level of significance. In fact, a recent study by Dr. Harris, showed that the increase in muscle carnosine with beta-alanine was not reduced when taurine was taken along with it.

We could get into the biochemistry of why taking taurine with beta-alanine may not seem like a good idea but we have a more simple and conclusive explanation just in case you wanted more proof to support Dr. Harris’s study. Since there is a group of studies that used either beta-alanine by itself or beta-alanine with taurine, we examined them to determine if there were any differences in the resulting carnosine concentrations. While more research is always needed, there are quite a few beta-alanine vs. beta-alanine plus taurine studies, and their outcomes are all the same. There is little to no difference in carnosine concentrations. In other words, taurine does not appear to inhibit beta-alanine from being absorbed, otherwise carnosine levels would have been lower in the beta-alanine plus taurine studies.

Closing Remarks

We hope our article has given you a much better understanding of how beta-alanine works and why it is so effective. It truly is the next tier in sports nutrition and we may not see anything as effective for 10-15 years, just as it was with creatine. Look for beta-alanine to grow in popularity as more people experience the power first hand and beta-alanine rises to the forefront in sport’s performance university research.

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Zoeller RF, Stout JR, O'kroy JA, Torok DJ, Mielke M.(2006)
Effects of 28 days of beta-alanine and creatine monohydrate supplementation on aerobic power, ventilatory and lactate thresholds, and time to exhaustion. Amino Acids, 1-6
Harris RC, Tallon MJ Dunnett M, Boobis L, Coakley J, Kim HJ, Fallowfield JL, Hill CA, Sale C, Wise JA (2006)

The absorption of orally supplied §-alanine and its effect on muscle carnosine synthesis in human vastus lateralis. Amino Acids, March
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Here is what is proven to work from the latest research (muscle carnosine levels up by over 80%!!). Basically 4-6.4g divided up into multiple doses less than 1g each (placebo group given maltodextrin tabs instead).

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Influence of b-alanine supplementation on skeletal muscle carnosine concentrations and high intensity cycling capacity. Hill, C. A.; Harris, R. C.; Kim, H. J.; Harris, B. D.; Sale, C.; Boobis, L. H.; Kim, C. K.; Wise, J. A. School of Sports, Exercise & Health Sciences, University of Chichester, Chichester, UK. Amino Acids (2007), 32(2), 225-233. Publisher: Springer Wien, CODEN: AACIE6 ISSN: 0939-4451. Journal written in English. CAN 146:337075 AN 2007:118274 CAPLUS

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Muscle carnosine synthesis is limited by the availability of b-alanine. Thirteen male subjects were supplemented with b-alanine (CarnoSyn) for 4 wks, 8 of these for 10 wks. A biopsy of the vastus lateralis was obtained from 6 of the 8 at 0, 4 and 10 wks. Subjects undertook a cycle capacity test to det. total work done (TWD) at 110% (CCT110%) of their max. power (Wmax). Twelve matched subjects received a placebo. Eleven of these completed the CCT110% at 0 and 4 wks, and 8, 10 wks. Muscle biopsies were obtained from 5 of the 8 and one addnl. subject. Muscle carnosine was significantly increased by +58.8% and +80.1% after 4 and 10 wks b-alanine supplementation. Carnosine, initially 1.71 times higher in type IIa fibers, increased equally in both type I and IIa fibers. No increase was seen in control subjects. Taurine was unchanged by 10 wks of supplementation. 4 wks b-alanine supplementation resulted in a significant increase in TWD (+13.0%); with a further +3.2% increase at 10 wks. TWD was unchanged at 4 and 10 wks in the control subjects. The increase in TWD with supplementation followed the increase in muscle carnosine.
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I'd recommend people read Bryan's anlasys of the studies. He understand, at least better than I do, how studies work and what their limitations are.
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So, I'm going to end this series on beta-alanine here for now. My conclusion from the clinical trials is that there is insufficient evidence, and of the available evidence, there is insufficient quality of evidence to support the use of beta-alanine to produce performance benefits. This doesn't mean that beta-alanine doesn't work, but that we are lacking proof of benefit.
I agree with the insufficient evidence part, especially since its a new supplement. Everything that I've read is anecdotal, and my first hand experience certainly shows that it does yield results. It'll be fun to see the studies that back up everyone's views on this particular supplement.

I've been taking it solo w/ my BCAA's preworkout for a while now and really felt the difference. For anyone who doesn't care to read the studies, it's dirt cheap to try so why not lol?
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Yeah. It's just the studies I'm referring to. I.E. don't read studies and thing that they PROVE anything. At least if you agree with him, which I do. My problem with the studies when they aren't really showing anything is that people quote them to stir up hype about labratory properties that aren't really there. So I like to keep all things on a level playing field.

If someone believe in BA and you feel you get positive results from it then I'm ALL for it. But if you read some article saying such and such study proves such and such then "there is insufficient evidence".

Hey you know when it comes down to it I am a big believer in whey, from a general standpoint being the best overall protein powder supplement. BUT the hard truth is there are no STUDIES that show that really. At least I can confidently point to a study and say that nothing really shows whey hydrosolate to be superior, lol. But other than that it's an individual result and a faith based thing. Kinda what he is saying is you can't make conclusions either way based on lack of scientific evidence.

With Bryan's blog, which I really appreciate, I'm thinking it's just a good tool to do away with misinformation so that we can start from a realistic standpoint as possible with any supplement and help do away with the placebo affect that is really pronounced from supplement companies using "science" to "prove" things. I've certainly began to learn my limits when it comes to understanding studies. I'm not too shabby in the first place but I've figured out that not too shabby means I suck half the time

Here's my thing about science. Either you try to understand as much as you can, or you rely on people you think understand it better, or a little of both (I do a little of both). Not necessarily to make all you decisions from though. But to make sure you are not at the MERCY of those who will use "science" to sell you something, whether it be sups or training methods. Something I just can't agree with Bryan on is the idea that you can really pay attention to science and tease out truths about training but I'm digressing...

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I wrote Bryan about the citrulline malate studies. I'd like to hear what he makes of them and it's never been in his blog that I can find. I don't know if he will want to do them but....
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I need to add this back in to my regular suppliments and give it a few months for my own testing purposes. I've used it in short bursts, a month or so at a time, and it seems to help muscular endurance, but I'd like to know what long term usage for me would do.

I wont comment on the study shit in this thread, I believe there is another about just that.
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just got mine today....wondering if anybody has any easy conversions...since i am scale-less just wondering how many grams a teaspoon would give me..
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My NP beta alanine says 1/4 tsp = 900mg. I normally use a very mildly heaped tsp...I think that ends up being 3-4 grams which is what I normally dose it at. I need to get my damn digital scale fixed.
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