PCT anyways..

[Skeetopunk01]

Well I taken all kinds of supplements and I decided to go a different route this time around. Although I'm not cycling anything I decided to combine 6-Oxo and Novedex Xt among other supports to try and reach my goal of 200lbs at less than 10% bodyfat. I'm at 195 and this stuff is working great. My strength has gone up tremendously and my cloths are getting tighter everyday. I thought some people might be interested in this.... I added Leviathan about 8 days ago and I like this stuff too. My goal in 4 weeks is too set new 1rms on Bench/Squat. I'm going for 315+ on bench and 450 ASG Squat.

[hrdgain81]

Just watch your joints with those pct supps. They work to increase test via estrogen suppression and a feedback loop, if estrogen drops too low you will begin to feel it in your joints ... have you thought about possibly running the NHA stack ... adding activate, or bulk avena sativa/nettle root may be in your interest.

[Skeetopunk01]

I'm currently taking Flax/Joint Formula/Omega-3/Zinc/Multi/B-5/Idebanone/Paravol/Leviathan in addition. Joints feel good right now and have felt good for a while. The only time I ever had joint problems was when I took Pheramax. I took it for two weeks and my joints hurt so bad I had to stop. If I had strength gains I failed to realize it because I was in hurting and lathargic too.

[The IronBull]

Not trying to be a smart ass, but IMO....
what a waste of money.

You are basically doing steroids without the positive benifits of steroids.

[Skeetopunk01]

I'm seeing results and that's all that matters. I have no acne, no joint problems and no sexual side effects. I have gained a few pounds, went up 40-50 pounds on my core lifts in 6 weeks so something is working. I dont need any bloat or temperment problems so this seems to be a safer alternative.

[Iron]

Originally Posted by Skeetopunk01

I'm seeing results and that's all that matters. I have no acne, no joint problems and no sexual side effects. I have gained a few pounds, went up 40-50 pounds on my core lifts in 6 weeks so something is working. I dont need any bloat or temperment problems so this seems to be a safer alternative.

Of course there are no side-effects because all you're taking is essentially a lot of expensive vitamins and other non-descript products with steroid-sounding names. Come on, Novedex??, (Nolvadex of course), Paravol?? (Parabolan).

If these substances were real anything, wouldn't they have their own names? Do you really think it's a coincidence that the names happen to sound the same as real drugs??

It's all marketing, plain and simple, just to sell you something..

[Iron]

Originally Posted by The IronBull

Not trying to be a smart ass, but IMO....
what a waste of money.

You are basically doing steroids without the positive benifits of steroids.

Exactly.

There's absolutely nothing in Flax/Joint Formula/Omega-3/Zinc/Multi/B-5/Idebanone/Paravol/Leviathan or anything else GNC, etc. sells short of a real AAS that will speed up muscle growth. They would only help if you happen to have a deficiency in any of the nutrients. Still even at that you wouldn't gain muscle any faster than normal.

If you're gaining, it has nothing to do with these sups. It's pretty much snake oil. Ask your merchant to show you the research behind their claims and see what happens..

For example, check out this ad for Novedex--
http://www.supplements101.com/Novede...snovedexxt.htm

Even the name is trying to mislead you. Over and over the ad states, "studies show" or "actual studies prove" but never do they reveal the study they're referring to or give any references???

[hrdgain81]

^^ in general when it comes to supps I agree. But both 6oxo and ATD (found in novedex xt) are substances with a multitude of research behind them. Yes the claims that some companies make, and the names they use are bullshit, but that doesnt mean that the substance does not work.

Go do some reading on ATD, its is a very potent AI, and not to be used lightly.

[Iron]

Fair enough I'll check it out. My only question would be why not just use a medically excepted AI such as arimidex, aromasin, etc.? On the other hand, why doesn't the medical community use these sups if they're that good?

[hrdgain81]

Originally Posted by Iron

Fair enough I'll check it out. My only question would be why not just use a medically excepted AI such as arimidex, aromasin, etc.? On the other hand, why doesn't the medical community use these sups if they're that good?

All I can say is that if you can't get a script, and you dont want to be on that side of the law, you can go this route.