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Old 03-13-2007, 09:16 AM
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You have to be kidding me. Are you all serious??

Hard bro....look up the definition of BCAAs please.

And who is talking absorbtion rates and casein?

I'm talking about absorbtion rates of protein period, since your body prefers peptides to whole proteins. Thus, its only common sense that if you have faster asborbtion rates over other products......do I need to finish the sentence???

I'm done with the subject of protein.
But if you want to agrue against common sense, be my guest.

Classic defense??? Why would I and what do I gain by making bs claims?

I dont know about you Bro, but I have a life and my time is valuable.
Why should i waste it on you?? Especially, when you are clueless

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They need protien since protien is the building blocks of muscle
And what is protein made of? Amino acids. Now, what amino acids cannot be made by the body? Essential amino acids. Where does essential aminos come from? BCAAs
The essential branched chain amino acids (BCAA's) are of special importance for athletes because they are metabolized in the muscle, rather than in the liver.
Oh BTW...After digestion once protein is broken down into individual amino acids these aminos can either be used to build new proteins or be burned as fuel to produce energy.

And nobody said you didnt need carbs.

All I said is "Another must is BCAAs.
make sure you take some BCAAs 30 minutes before workout with a protein shake and a shake right after workout."

BCAAs are must because they cannot be made by the body. And to have proper metabolism and protein synthesis.

And since you cant seem to do your own home work and god forbid i have to justify my claims or look child.....

Nutraceutical Effects of Branched-Chain Amino Acids on Skeletal Muscle1,2,3

Yoshiharu Shimomura*,4, Yuko Yamamoto*, Gustavo Bajotto*, Juichi Sato, Taro Murakami**, Noriko Shimomura, Hisamine Kobayashi and Kazunori Mawatari

* Department of Materials Science and Engineering, Nagoya Institute of Technology, Nagoya, Japan; Department of General Medicine, Nagoya University Hospital, Nagoya, Japan; ** Department of Nutrition, Faculty of Wellness, Chukyo Women's University, Ohbu, Japan; Chukyo Junior College, Mizunami, Japan; and Ajinomoto Co., Inc., Tokyo, Japan

ABSTRACT
BCAA catabolism in skeletal muscle is regulated by the branched-chain -keto acid dehydrogenase (BCKDH) complex, located at the second step in the BCAA catabolic pathway. The activity of the BCKDH complex is regulated by a phosphorylation/dephosphorylation cycle. Almost all of BCKDH complex in skeletal muscle under normal and resting conditions is in an inactive/phosphorylated state, which may contribute to muscle protein synthesis and muscle growth. Exercise activates the muscle BCKDH complex, resulting in enhanced BCAA catabolism. Therefore, exercise may increase the BCAA requirement. It has been reported that BCAA supplementation before exercise attenuates the breakdown of muscle proteins during exercise in humans and that leucine strongly promotes protein synthesis in skeletal muscle in humans and rats, suggesting that a BCAA supplement may attenuate muscle damage induced by exercise and promote recovery from the damage. We have examined the effects of BCAA supplementation on delayed-onset muscle soreness (DOMS) and muscle fatigue induced by squat exercise in humans. The results obtained showed that BCAA supplementation prior to squat exercise decreased DOMS and muscle fatigue occurring for a few days after exercise. These findings suggest that BCAAs may be useful for muscle recovery following exercise.


Once again......Another must is BCAAs.
Make sure you take some BCAAs 30 minutes before workout with a protein shake and a shake right after workout."
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Old 03-13-2007, 11:06 AM
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All I'll say about the protien absorbtion rates is that you posted a study ... go read it, it refrenced hydrosolates vs casien.

Alright, some wires are definately getting crossed here. So basicly we are arguing over what place on the necessities list BCAA's are at. We both understand that carbs and protien are essential, and that BCAAs are very very useful, if nothing else.

My argument is simply that by taking in whey (any kind) your bcaa intake is already fairly high, especially for the needs of a beginer to intermediate lifter. You can be assured I take in extra BCAAs, and in the near future it may replace whey protien completely for me (because of health issues).

So basicly what I'm saying is, if your on a budget (and thats the only real concern here, because if we didnt have budgets, we would be taking in a lot of everything) then I wouldnt place BCAAs very high on my list, simply because you get plenty in whey, and they are fairly expensive compared to whey and dex/malto.
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