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hahahahah I'm getting old Eric ...

I had a whole bunch of stuff saved. I've been deleting old stuff but I have a doc or two.

BTW, I'm not saying that getting an insulin effect, somehow, doesn't AID in the entry of creatine into the muscles. What I am saying is that is is not "impossible" without it but mostly that whey (which is very insulogenci) and other things will work just as well as dextrose and for many it may be advantages. Some of you guy's worship bcaa's..hey..there's an insulin spike for you.

I'll attach some docs later on.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

Cool. So insulin helps more with delivery than glucose? That's the thing that I've been mildly confused about.

yeah, I was under the impression that the insulin spike that is associated with Dextrose was what was needed to shuttle creatine into the blood.

With that in mind, it makes sense that other things (whey, bcaa) that cause insulin responses would work, but to what degree?

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Eric Cressey mentions in Maximum Strength that you do not need "a special creatine delivery system full of carbs and a thousand other ingredients". He does not cite the source but it may have been Dr. John Beradi.

As EricT mentions, you can mix plain creatine with water and it will be effective. Yes, there may be scientific studies that prove you can get it into your system quicker with carbs but in reality the time difference is not all that important. 10 minutes versus 60 minutes? No big deal in the scheme of things.

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Yeah, if EC sites a source it's gonna be Berardi, lol. But he's right. And you're right.

Basically the deal is, as long as there not the "non-responders" you put a bunch of people on different regimins and they all end up in the same place eventually. Just the time courses change. It's the long-term, chronic effect that matters anyway more than the acute effect.

More and more, I've discovered that nothing is a magic bullet. Yes, you may "feel" some effects from this or that, but does that translate into 10 pounds in a month as opposed to 5 pounds?

Doo mentions "the scheme of things" and I couldn't agree more. Frankly, I think it is easier for people to focus on minutia than the big picture. It's comforting to think that minutia makes a difference because you can "zoom in" to one or two little things. Makes you feel like you're in control and know exactly where you stand and what you are doing.

This is going to sound weird but I got a tomtom gps unit for christmas. I really needed it. I can get lost in my own backyard lol. I have no sense of direction. Now, on that unit you have a choice, at any time, whether you want to zoom in to exactly just where you are or you just want a bigger map overview. Most of the time I like to zoom in to just the road I am on, and the immediate surroundings. That is comforting to me. I don't feel so small, lol. BUT, and this is a big but, I got the unit telling every step to take every mile of the way. Life doesn't work that way. Training and nutrition doesn't work that way. You don't have the luxury of dwelling on details and let some electronic advice do the navigating. You have to "zoom-out".

I should also mention that if you are mostly endomorphic like myself, you really need to avoid non-essential carbs since endomorphs tend to gain fat with excess carbs. Taking simple sugar carbs with creatine to boost absorption is the epitomy of non-essential carbs for this somatype. Better to have the carbs after lifting and stick with ground oats (higher glycemic index due to particle size) in your post workout shake.

If you are looking for research and studies done on Creatine, not by the retailer, just google it. There is more info than you can imagine. Strong suggestion....take PURE creatine with no sugars or sweetners. Stay away from monohydrate, find a product with a chelate/malate formula with no fillers. Your wasting your money on mono.

Damn, quit knocking it and post up some kind of evidence. All I've seen from you so far is idle speculation. Mono has been PROVEN to work beyond a doubt. So why is it a waste of money??? I haven't seen a study yet where anything has been proven to work BETTER than CM. So show me something, otherwise I call BS.

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