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Oops, I thought the description from tp was per scoop, NOT per 100 grams like it is. Yes, I'm not the brightest star.

I would rather eat cottage cheese then drink a cassein shake before bed. That way I probably won't have to get up and piss in the middle of the night. Unless I'm bulking and want to down another shake. Great time to get extra protein and try to stay anabolic.

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I did the same thing with the Isopure....I hate dealing with numbers.

When I went to Costco the other day, I picked up a 7 lb bag of protein for only $28. Dirt cheap IMO. It has casein, isolate, egg, ect.. Tastes pretty good. I'm only using it as a MRP in between breakfast and lunch. 77 servings worth. I mix with 50/50 skim milk and water..Taste is very good. I know it's not as good of quality as a regular (more popular) supplement company, but I just couldn't resist the price. Click on the attachment to see the supplement label.

Another cost effective thing I'm doing is to buy some isolate, and mix a scoop or two into my (cheap) pre/post workout shakes with ON's 100% whey, just to increase the assimilation times and beef up the amino profile since I'm not getting anymore BN BCAA's for a while..Tastes like shit.

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I just got my 5 lbs of cold filtration isolate from trueprotein today. Fast considering I bought it on Sunday, with the order going through Monday morning. I guess that's a perk of living a stone's throw away from the distribution factory.

Here's my thoughts:

- I opted for a food grade bag (cause it's free). I was expecting the bag to be some kind of ziplock bag at least which it wasn't. It's just a thick plastic bag with a zip tie. It's still worth it because I just transferred it in my old 5 lb container of 100% whey.

- I also got the aminogen added in at .70 per pound. I didn't want to spend a lot since I'm trying this company out for the first time. That's why I settled for regular chocolate flavoring w/ splenda. I put two scoops into a glass of water because I was about to head out and do some cardio anyways. It mixed within a few twirls of a spoon. A hundred times easier than ON's. Tasted great too, and it wasn't thick whatsoever. So I'm very impressed and this will be my new pre/postworkout mainstay.

One more thing to note: I used Sleazy's discount code and it surprised me to see just how long his last name is!! His name was on my invoice.

Edited out for reasons below.

Lol... I'll stick to isolate hands down. It's been a few days since I switched over to the cold filtration and I must say that I didn't feel bloated whatsoever compared to when I had a good amount of concentrate mixed in.

I'm sure there's a million studies out there, each by a different supplement label pimping their products. Dorian Yates approved protein he sells is only casein, not whey isolate, so that's probably why he made it. If he ever comes out with his own line of whey, I'm sure that article will be edited.

Most of us shouldn't let one or two articles skew your views about different types of proteins, especially from competative lines of protein companies. Choose my Yates approved protein over any "whey proteins"..

Some dairy companies? Which ones? Are they protein manufacturers that have a higher standard? I agree that some small companies that make their protein from other small labs do not have the standards that ON, TP, or other companies that PRIMARILY sell protein do. For instance, I've heard from a few years back that my Costco brand of protein (the whey one, not mine)was slightly off from label claims..Big surprise there, but it makes sense since that company doesn't sell supplements primarily like others do.

If isolates in general are that bad compared to a $4.00 per pound concentrate, then I doubt all the monsters doing (for instance) DC training would settle for the $4 concentrate vs. spending all that money on isolates...Primarily ion exchange. Companies such as protein factory and TP most likely would test those more expensive ways of filtering their protein. If they didn't, it would be too much of a painstaking process to seperate the whey from all those fillers such as lactate and ash with all those advanced methods. You've definately convinced me that ion-exchange is too iffy vs. price. Absolutely, I do not like the idea of spraying chemicals on the protein to blah, blah, blah..Leaving a higher sodium content, ect. But IMO cold or microfiltration is worth the money.

I guess for me it all boils down to results versus "analysis paralysis".. I personally put a lot of stock into pre and post workout nutrition..Above everything else in regards to protein. Now, I've been spending a lot of time in the intensemuscle forum, mainly getting ready for DC training for when I'm healed. Now, there's a lot of protein threads over there that have everyone's ideal pre/post protein guidelines. In most, like mine is now, they use some form of isolate, actually half use ion exchange. The progress over there is unreal, with 2-4 scoops of ion exchange. I know there's a lot of top coaches (Dante, Skip, ect) that prepare bb'ers for contests over there that require people getting ready for shows both on and off season to use isolates. If it did yield a lot less undenatured protein than people think, I do not believe everyone's results would be achieved.

I'll email the tech's with this article from Mr. Yates and see what they have to say.

Whoa! Slow down, bro. I'm not to up on marketing so I had no idea of Mr. Yates protein lines. I don't really pay attention to such things. Hell, that's enough for me to just edit that article right out. In any case I don't pay attention to one or two articles saying this or that as you know!

I still think that cold-filtration is the better way to go, also...I did not wipe the things I said earlier about ion-exchange from the seat of my pants. I researched this quite a while ago, in fact. I put a lot of thought and research into these type of things before I post on them and I'm sorry if I sometimes go against the big giant guys at intensemuscle. I defitnitely dropped the ball of that article though.

I agree. Pretty vague. Coupled with what you've said it pretty much paints a picture, in my view. I'm editing this out since it's motivation is way too questionable. I'll have to pay more attention in the future.

I understand where this comes from. But why have a forum at all. Sometimes I post things for informational purposes, so that people can read it and make informed decisions. If every time I post info I'm going to be accused of analysis paralysis, then perhaps I shouldn't post at all. The term doesn't mean "never question". I accept Mr. Yates questionable intentions, but at the same time I would say that if as bodybuilders we don't question the claims of manufacturers, I don't care which ones, then we are going to become easy victims. So many of us already are.

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If you act sanctimonious I will just list out your logical fallacies until you get pissed off and spew blasphemous remarks.

SLLOWW DOWN!! C'mon, you know me by now. Debate is what makes the world go around. I actually enjoyed the article as it provides a completely different spin vs. everyone else's views. It was only a rebuttle, NOT a confrontation. When I spoke of results vs. analysis paralysis it was simply a statement relevant to buying an isolate over concentrate..My point was simply that most of the experts I spoke with or saw various posting with (it happened to be from intense because the vast majority resides there), they all saw the best results with an isolate over an 'undenatured' concentrate. My only point is that if the supplement company is reputable, then it's really a leap of faith..Which is both our points, I think It can still be questioned, but they'd give you the run around I'm guessing..

I appreciate the article and hope you put it up to be proven or disproven!! That's the point IMO. I only simply put up a weak debuttle to the article by stating that he has his own line of supplements to peddle that do not include whey..Which is his arch nemesis. I still didn't provide a shred of proof IMO that it WAS NOT true either...So that doesn't mean he could be right either.

I guess analysis paralysis in regards to denatured vs. undenatured is a poor (combative) choice of words. You know you're still my number one!! :smileysex5:

Of COURSE I know that! I think analasys-paralasys got me going but I didn't mean it like I said it at all. I hate it when I do that. And here I pride myself on choosing my words carefully. I only meant that I wouldn't want the term to be overused. Sometimes it becomes a sort of "The Lord works in mysterious ways" thing to throw at those who question...

I didn't mean for that post to come off combative the way it did. Maybe I was embarrased because I didn't know about Dorian's protein pimping...

Of course! You've seen me tear apart enough articles! But I only like to post articles by people as unbiased as possibe; it being, of course, impossible to find someone completely unbiased. Some of the things he said is backed up by many other things I've read. But it's usually aimed at ion-exchange and hydrosolates. I've never seen someone make those statements about filtereds. I'd rather the article not be up.

You had me at hello...