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Hey, 37 year old male getting back into body building.

Just bought some Creatine Ethyl Ester and Arginine Ethyl Ester and will be adding some Whey Protein. Then, on to the iron! Sound like a good start?

I've been out of it for a while so any/all advice will be gladly accepted. Any tips on when to take these suppliments or any training advice for an old BB getting back into the swing of things? I seem to lose energy fast during the workouts now. I'm good for an hour and then things start to taper off... Any idea if HGH would be a good addition?

Thanks in advance!

those supps look good, I would add in some dextrose/maltodextrin to your post workout whey shake.

If you feel as though your stamina isnt great durring your workouts, look at adding some Citruline Malate to your pre workout nutrition, as well as sip on some carbs durring.

I think HGH would be awesome if you can get your doctor to give you a script for it. Or if you want to give it a go, www.universalkits.com sells a transdermal gel that is a GH precursor called pght. Other then that, anything on the market that claims to be HGH (especially anything oral) is a load of crap.

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Wow! Thanks for the advice. Nothing like coming to a Body Building forum as a newb and NOT getting flamed for my post.

I've been reading a lot of threads on this forum and I have to say, BB has changed since I first started years ago. Most guys would throw out the "newb" word and add "lame", "sissy", and "shut the F$%^& up and start lifting queer!" to the reply.

Thanks a bunch. Sounds like a great bunch on here!

What does the dextrose/maltodextrin do in conjunction with the Whey?

Any advice on when to take these suppliments? How much I actually need of each? etc..

Sorry to hear that. That truly does suck.

The answer to most of your beginning questions can be answered by the stickys that are in the forum. Read those first, it is a lot, and then you will be able to ask the questions that will really help you.

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dextrose/maltodextrin are forms of carbs. You need carbs before and after workouts. Carbs before hand give you energy to fuel your workouts. Carbs after work to spike your insulin which drive protein, aminos, etc... into your muscles. Most suggest around 20-40g before the workout and 50-100g after.

And you say you feel exhasuted towards the end of your workouts. Are you taking in carbs before the workout? If not, start there. If you still feel fatigued, sip on some carbs such as a gatorade throughout the workout.

Have you read the stickies? Read those as this is covered in them, namely the "How to Bulk" and "Pre/Post Workout Nutrition" ones.

Have you ever ordered from these guys ?
Is this pght a good product ?
How does it compare to HGH ?

Thanks

Interested as well...

Thanks for all the advice and tips guys. I'm taking it all in.

Back to the HGH topic, is there no OTC HGH product out there worth anything? Are there any benefits to the ones that are out there?

I'm not looking for the fountain of youth, although it would come in handy if anyone knows where it is!! But, I have heard good things about HGH and HGH stimulators. Is what I'm hearing wrong?

here is what bulknut has to offer as far as oral GH stims goes:
http://www.bulknutrition.com/?cPath=63

I have done some snooping around and I have not heard many good things about oral GH stimulation. The problems stem from oral bioavailability of the aminos that are suppose to support GH production, and the effective half life.

Many of these products rely on Glutimine, or one of the Glut peptides to support GH, and its pretty much impossible to get that stuff through the gut. So oral administration is out the window.

Other products rely on GABA or similar compounds. From my understanding, and former use. GABA is awesome, for about a week. Then the effects diminish quickly, similar to phenibut which is closely related.

If your really interested in it Littleguy, I would check out the site I posted earlier. They were atleast upfront about the product, and I would think transdermal administration would be far supperior for these products. There are also some guys over at Anabolicminds that love that stuff. I believe they also make an injectable version.

On a side note, many of these products are exspensive, so tread carefully. Do a lot of research before you buy anything. GH is a slow acting hormone, you wont see explosive gains like AAS, so it will take time, and a sizable investment to see it work.

Welcome, glad to see you get back on the horse. How long do you workout? If it's more than 1.5 hours of actual working out, not counting social breaks, then I would revamp your workouts. Some would even say 1.5 hours is long. Most of the time I'm at the gym workingout for an hour and some change.