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This is something we have started doing over on bb.com.

Check out this link. This may make some of the testers of Primal EAA NOT TOO HAPPY.

Read through, this thread will continue on also as we will hold companies accountable.

Some of these weights are very much off.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=977369

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Definately didn't make me happy LOL. Looking back at my log, I had an increase in energy and gained 5 lbs.. Which being already at 250 (at that time), I thought I topped off staying natural. I'm immune to the word "placebo", especially when weight gain is on deck.

Not that I trust supplement companies, but I'll let everyone else fight the good fight weighing servings. I keep it simple. If they work, I continue purchasing them, meaning the supplement servings are probably correct, and if it's not, shit, I'm still gaining either way. If they don't work, then I move on. If they don't work because of a discrepancy in a serving size, it won't matter to me because I'll never repurchase. Basically, if I'm gaining mass with 'supplement x' at the recommended serving size, diet and training remaining the same, then ignorance is bliss for me! (I'm referring to ANY supplement, not Primaforce supplements)

Sure, it's unsettling to see such a reputable supplement company potentially shortchanging consumers, but I don't think any supplement testers would get unhappy since a) it's FREE, and b) good results across the board adhering to serving recommendations. LOL, actually, good results from HALF the actual serving.


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I read Mark respond saying he measured 5 grams of creaform. I understand he's a rep, just like you are, but the scale never lies, and reading a scale isn't a difficult task!.. So I'll be looking forward to hear what Scivation has to say about all the other results, and silence = guilty to me. It IS kinda strange how the owner was the only one who registered 5 grams.

Now, if my memory serves, Primaforce's Creaform's scoop is about the same size as "one rounded teaspoon" -> Which is what Prolab offers for their 5 grams of creatine. I also had great results from regular prolab monohydrate at their recommended serving size.

Regardless, thanks a lot for alerting everyone!

BTW, how's single factor going?

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Well, i wouldn't say you got "shortchanged" on the Primal, i'm having someone weigh the whole tub and an empty tub to find out if we're getting the entire claimed product amounts. THAT is the most important first and foremost, cuz that's what you're paying for.

Secondly comes the scooper/serving amounts mainly because as you saw with the ThermoLife Xplode Reload, we claim 42 servings....

1) it won't make people happy to finish in 35-36 days if they thought they were getting 42 days' worth even if they did consume the claimed total of the tub

2) serving sizes for products such as XR are made with x amount of ingredients for a reason, no more is needed. We had one tester who had to stop due to alot of GI tract problems. I think he may have been sensitive to one of the ingredients, having 40% more than he needed definately would make it worse. :(

With something like mono, a kilo will last approx. 200 days, i don't count the days when something lasts that long.....SO...it could be a big deal to people to not get enough, in fact, it would be a big deal to the company also, cuz if people are only getting 3g/serving or so, they won't be back to purchase another tub as soon, also may not be receiving the full benefits of the product which could lead to them not liking it enough to buy it again....

....i just think the thread should share a nice reminder/lightbulb to people to weigh out their powders once they get them to make sure they are using the supplements to optimal effect.

I saw your EAA log and would say using 3 scoops @ 250 you will notice effects, even at half of the labels' dosage. I don't think you felt placebo. EAA's pre/during/post are very effective for recovery.


The 5x5 went well....onto other things lately....ran that for about 4 months i believe. Had some great strength increases, very consistent. I'm a believer and recommend it to many. Really did help with mass as it focuses on compounds, plus, i know how to eat.

Thanx again for your advice man. You haven't led me astray yet.

Absolutely! I'm not saying it's a mute point by any means! It's very interesting, and as I've said, I'm waiting for their reps to get on the horn and explain themselves.

Hope you stick around this time instead of wasting time at the circus over us!

I keep busy with the fam/work/etc. but i intend to!

I just checked back in on that link 2.5 weeks later and there's nothing that's came of it.. Have you heard anything or has everyone forgotten about it?

Thanx for reminding me. Ima bumpity bump it now.

Besides, it's basically just a random thread people can pop in to show the actual amounts vs. claimed. Mainly for people to have a more exact idea of how much to dose.