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I don't quite understand... you're doing a presentation for people in the emergency services fields. You reference how overweight they are, how unathletic, yet you want to tell them about what bad things can happen if they were to take certain supplements or mix certain supplements?

I can see advising them of adverse reactions, but as a whole, the supplement industry doesn't really have THAT many horror stories. Ephedra is about the only real controversial thing that's gone on over the last few years (in terms of legal supps, that is). And even the Ephedra scare was based on the fact that some idiots took too much while having pre-existing heart conditions (which was one of those 'don't take if you have this' warnings).

I guess what I'm getting at here is, what's your main objective in doing this presentation? Getting the EMS people to get into better shape? Telling them NOT to use supps? Telling to use supps, but with caution?

If you're just trying to caution them about supps, from what you've said about them and their lifestyles, they either don't know what supps are or they think they're some sort of miracle cure for their fatness. In either case, I would think it'd be better to educate them on good nutrition and exercise programs instead of pushing and/or putting the scare tactics on with supps.

If you really want to warn them about 'supps' that can and do have the main potential for side effects, talk to them about the dangers of illegal steroid use. That's an area where you'll get some great "I was an idiot and didn't cycle/load/use properly" stories.

I have no clue what you're looking for. First you ask for horror stories about supplements in order to educate public safety workers, then you talk about their own lack of fitness and poor diet.

The poor fitness and poor dietary habits of people are not correlated to supplement horror stories.

There are lots of fat out of shape people that don't take any supplements, let alone in mass quantities. And the fitness level or habitual diet of public safety workers has absolutely no impact on their ability to treat people.

Maybe they don't know alot about supplements because they don't need to know, because there are no 'horror' stories.

To go back to your original post, suppose someone took that gallon of tang and creatine. What's going to happen to them and how would you treat it? I'm curious to know what kind of horror story you expect and training you think is necessary, aside from common sense.

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Thank you for the thoughtful postings, all of you

Treating the original example, the patient would experience runaway diarrhea, dehydration and abdominal cramping. The treatment (knowing what it was) would be supportive care and transport to the hospital. Any conditions it caused would be treated accordingly, of course.

Not knowing what it was could have doctors digging into their exotic case files and coming up with extremely rare viral infections and running a bunch of expensive tests, possibly putting the patient under (expensive) isolation orders while trying to find some cause.

Imagine waking up to discover that your appendix had been removed "Just to be on the safe side."

If the medics are aware of the products and possible side-effects, they can ask better questions (supplements are not always mentioned when people ask about Last Meal, etc.) That is the purpose of this presentation.

The medics are taught about the same things for household chemicals, industrial chemicals, etc., but the 'food' type stuff is a subclass with which many people are not familiar.

The EPHEDRA example mentioned earlier is exactly what I'm talking about. Thank you, IronKitten.

Keep them coming!

Hahaha that was a good one