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SS will hit the big three more often then that split ever will which is what you need right. If you work on improving your big three (squats, deads, bench) as much as possible then you *will* get bigger. (assuming you're eating)

Assuming you are a novice, then doing a good amount of work with the big three is your best bet at this point. No variations or fluff, just the basic big three and a few other choice lifts. SS is great for people who are starting out, as it concentrates on the big lifts without all the fluff. That way, you get lots of work in on the lifts that count in a very time efficient manner.

That said, if you don't like the program then there's no point in continuing with it. There are other ways of setting things up, and people always do better with things they like than with things they don't like.

I wouldn't suggest doing some kind of elaborate BBer split like you've written out above. Training lifts once a week, then throwing in a bunch of fluff exercises as well, is definately not the best way to go about things at this point. If you want to train 4 days a week, try having a Squat day and a Bench day maybe, train each twice a week, then put in a few other useful lifts after the main lift. Put in just enough fluff work to satisfy yourself, but try not to spend more time on flyes, extensions, pullovers, curls, calves, etc., than you do on major lifts. I know you want to do curls until your arms fall off, but for your gain's sake, try your best to channel your efforts.

Perhaps even more important than how you organize things, how are your going to plan your progression?

Cheers,
Jeff


PS: 4000 cals is a lot of food. It may be a bit overboard at this point. You want to eat enough to facilitate muscle growth, but not so much that fat starts piling on. I don't know your metabolism, so watch the scale, calipers, and waist measurement and adjust if needed bro.

But I did the big three for over a year! How can I expect to suddenly grow now?

4000 seems right for me because my metabolism is crazy. I'm a talll skinny teenager and everything I eat gets burned up instantly. I'm not too worried about putting on fat at this point, as long as it comes with muscle, and I will be doing 30 min morning cardio 2x a week.

Anyways, would this program work?

A B C days.

A = Chest (Bench + 'fluff'), Shoulders, Abs

B = Legs (Squat) + Biceps, Triceps

C = Back (Deadlift) + Abs, and whatever else I missed above [feel free to comment]

I'd be working out as previously stated, 4 times a week, Tues (A) Thurs (B) Sat (C) Sun (A) then it repeats.

Just skimming through the thread I'd say your problem is diet.

It doesn't seem like there is enough protein in there. The key is roughly 1-1.5 grams per pound of lean body mass (don't ask why there are imperial and metric units in there, just accept it ).

The other main thing is consistency, I noticed the one example of 'daily' intake and it didn't seem anywhere near enough cals and then further in there is a screen shot of a food journal and its definitely way off. 77 grams of protein won't make you grow.

I also noticed that your worried about funds. A weight gainer is basically a bunch of protein and a shitstack of carbs. I used to make my own weightgainer by throwing some dry oatmeal (1/2-1 cup) into my protein shakes. You need a big shake and you still might end up chewing half of it, but its dirt cheap. If you need some fat then take a bit of olive oil before the shake.

One other thing I wanted to say is that this kind of lifestyle is very psychological. If you don't think you're gaining or that you've plateaued, then you most likely will be living that reality. If I were you I would reset the thing, overhaul your diet and hit the weights with a fresh attitude.

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Forget the whole endomorph/ectomorph thing....that's irrelevant to the conversation. The above diet is okay...not perfect, but it's definitely good enough. Feeling full? Just remember to try to keep the carbs clean. Low GI. You don't want to put it on as fat. If you're going to do high GI, then make sure it's in the morning or post workout.

WHOA!!!! That's a TON of food for a guy your size. Fifty three hundred cals. I can't imagine you needing that much day in and day out.

But hey, I don't know your metabolism. If that's what you need to gain weight, then that's what you need. Watch the scale; if you gain any more than 1-2 lbs per week then re-asses the situation. If you don't care about fat gain, then just go to town!

Good luck bro,
Jeff

NICE 600+ grams of carbs!!

I wish my metabloism was that fast

You will probably be feeling full and quite shitty to start with eating that much, but your body will adapt and it will be easier.Good luck mate just be consistent with the eating and lifting.

that is a LOT of calories! to put it in perspective, at his heaviest off-season weight (300+ lbs) Dorian Yates was taking in 5000-6000 cals a day!

that much food will definitely get the scale moving so as Jeffo pointed out, just keep tabs on how MUCH it's moving and use the tape and mirror to help keep too much fat from piling on. On the flip side dont be afraid of some fat gain though as it is a natural by-product of eating for size.

and sticking to the SS routine or something similar is surely the best bet for you at this stage. be sure and check into microloading too! it is a great way to help keep the poundages moving UP!

best of luck!

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good luck man....should see progress now that you're not eating like a rabbit