I remember our talk about waking up one morning and being an advanced lifter
And I've definitely started to change my way of thinking. If we or many other members on the board were discussing our workouts and someone said "you need more core work",
we (not trying to sound cocky) would have an idea of how much core is enough, how to fit it in, and what frequency. So I totally agree with you.
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Originally Posted by Eric3237
Sure but why single out GHR's. They're actually easier and more forgiving, especially on a machine, than all the standard slow lifts. Because exercises are in a program PERIOD people stick with them an use horrid form and your last sentence applies to everything. You know a bad habit people have is to flex their elbows during deads...sort of a way to use their arms.
But you seem to think people are not allowed to use arms on GHR's. Why? Assistance is OK. It's not assistance that makes it wrong usually it's a lack of glute control so the the torso bends. But on a machine if you can simply move the knee rest away from the knees until you can do a rep...then move it closer to progress, you should be fine.
With an externally loaded weight then there is a weight that a person should be able to do it well. With bodyweight type stuff it's harder to change the weight without changing the character of the exercise. Some imperfection is to be expected at first. It's just a different thing.
But ANY exericise is specific and will require a period of adjustment and strenghening. I don't care if you can deadlift 400, you may still find that you can't do a ghetto GHR unassisted. Maybe compare it to pullups. When are people allowed to work on an exercise, provided certain standards are met, so that they can improve strength on THAT exercise (which should of course extend to other things in different ways). If you expect everybody to be able to do bodyweight things perfectly right off the bat without any assistance or something than bodywieight things are out, cause it ain't gonna happen.
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The only reason I singled out the GHRs is because I'm seeing alot more people trying to do them and anuj had mentioned them. Plus they're not an easy exercise to do. I have problems with them at times and I'll give myself the assistance to help through a sticking point. But there is also a big difference between helping yourself through the whole exercise and bumping yourself past a sticking point and resuming the exercise. What I was comparing it to was a 'spot' on bench when someone is touching the bar the whole way or taking off an 'excess' of resistance. The assistance should be used to assist and not perform the exercise (if that makes sense lol). Obviously pullups and even pushups can be troublesome at times (as most bodyweight exercises are not easy).
The other thing I was going to mention, and is a bit why I picked on GHRs, is that last week someone tried to do them and obviously didnt have the strength for it. This person couldn't control the negative portion and came down too fast, tried to grab the handles and ended up hyperextending both his knees. The difficulty of GHRs is very deceiving IMO. I would even consider recommending a Ghetto GHR to see if you're ready for the machine.
Again, I'm not saying GHRs are bad and should be banned or never attempted. I'm saying that if you're going to do something you should be well prepared for it and know what to expect.
ps. I believe my quote was "Its not how much you lift, its how you lift it"
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